Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Therons

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The result was redirect to Theron Mountains. MBisanz ^talk 00:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Therons

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This page was prodded "Unsourced and fails WP:NOTABILITY". But the Therons are major characters in the very notable and landmark Dan Dare science fiction series, and their reference is many times in the Dan Dare stories in the Eagle (comic). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Well... the only issue is that you'd have to show that the Therons have received in-depth coverage in sources that are independent of the series. That means that you'd have to use something other than the series to show that they're notable. The big problem with showing notability for things of this nature (side characters, various aliens, etc) is that you'd have to find an independent and reliable source that actually discusses them in depth and not as a brief mention. You have to show that they're notable independent of the series as a whole, just as Wookies are independent of the Star Wars series as far as notability goes. What I might suggest as a way of salvaging this article and the other articles for the various aliens of the Dan Dare series is to merge all of the aliens into one large article and try to source that, rather than trying to find sources for individual articles. Many times when aliens/characters about ongoing series (especially Golden Age ones) are usually talked about as a whole rather than individually, so this is probably your best bet here. I'm having some trouble finding sources, I must admit.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ask on the email group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dandare/?yguid=160092482
- Or see http://www.dandare.org/ Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I prodded the article. please read Tokyogirl79's comment above. She said it better than I could. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:21, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dan Dare or Keep: The relevant pages of the one book listed under References are available as a GBooks preview certainly look like a reliable independent source, and the article from which they come is certainly in-depth about Dan Dare and mentions the Therons a bit more than in passing. The main source for the pages on the Therons is apparently: Edward James (1987). "The Future Viewed from Mid-Century Britain: Clarke, Hampson and the Festival of Britain". Foundation: The Review of Science Fiction (41, Winter 1987): 42–51., which may well deal with the Therons in rather greater detail. Unfortunately, while I have a number of more recent issues of Foundation available, I do not have that one - can anyone find it and look? If we can find any in-depth reliable sources beyond these for the Therons, I think we should certainly keep - otherwise, we certainly have enough to justify a merger. PWilkinson (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 19:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it's not up to editors to decide which characters are notable or not. That's something for third party sources. And right now, there is a lack of significant coverage in those sources that could WP:verify notability. I suppose I could support a merge as a compromise, to expand the main series article and provide these characters with proper context. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Theron Mountains, with an optional redirect hatnote to Dan Dare. No significant coverage and there's almost nothing "ther on" the page. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dan Dare--Crazy runner (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Theron Mountains - no notability. Claritas § 12:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.