Topic on User talk:MisterSynergy

Hi MisterSynergy,

through my work at wikidata, I figured out that some people which are deleting items are not writing "accurate" like you.

For example, you write "Does not meet the notability policy: content was: "ABCDE"

But others just write "deleted page Q123456789 (RfD: Not notable)"

I always "hate" when this appears, because a volunteery person who is using time to create something good, does not now which item was deleted, when their is no history visible. The "Deletion log" is not helpful.

May be you can help and show me any explaining page, how I could figure out which items were deleted.

My fair question are:

1) how can I see which item it was? I fairly would understand, if a item I created it is not notable but it should be fair for th the volunteer getting his "work" back. Even a change of a item is documented in a history tab but after deletion, only admins or backrollers are seeing this according to

2) why are other deleting persons are not following your schema? In your schema I could decide, Okay he is right, its not notable, So I leave it. But without your schema it is unclear what was deleted for the user. Even in OpenStreetMap you can see everything and it is understandable.

Is there a "Deletion workshop page" for persons who want to delete stuff, to discuss the schema / transparency for users? (I dont want to delete stuff, but like to understand more. I also try to fix things through merging and do QAQC. So merging is like a deletion of one of the duplette.)

3) How can I get back a historic version of a deleted item (not a undeletion, I mean, just seeing the version of the data of the item before deletion). I know there is the wikidata Dump but, If it is just one JSON, it should be possible to get this data and leave the decision by the deleting person / marked for deletion"-person and go on.

4) I also do not understand, why there is this "fast quick deletion process", and not a friendly alert / hint "hey your creation is not 100% right, could you please add more references?" even one week before deletion

5) As I see your "User talk", you get into interaction after deleting with the users. Is this the normal process? For that, they know what is deleted becuase of your schema. So thank you for beeing more transparent than others!

6) Why do yu have this nice user talk page, How can I implement this ? I saw people with many user talk also archive that. Is this somewhere described how to install it?

It would be really nice if you can help

Thanks a lot

Let me ask in bullet points, I hope that I do not forget any aspects.

• The deletion dialogue has two fields, a dropdown menu and a free text field. Based on the selection in the dropdown menu, there is alreadys a default text in the free text field provided—some of them contain a label of the deleted item in some language in order to indicate to users what the content of the item was about. You can see at MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown what the default values are. Admins can, however, overwrite or modify the default values at their discretion. Please also mind that sometimes the item labels are not suitable for display in a public log file.
• You can see items created by you, but meanwhile deleted, at https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/www.wikidata.org/Ms040got/all//deleted. By default, you do not have any insight into which content was behind these items, but you may ask the deleting admins what it was. The deleting admin is also able to explain to you what was wrong, and whether there is a chance to get the item undeleted.
• We do have the page Wikidata:Requests for deletions. It is meant to make admins aware of items that shall be deleted, and there is no minimum dwell time for cases listed on the page.
• Item pages may even be deleted without any prior discussion or notification ("fast quick deletion process"), and this happens to the vast majority of cases (usually some thousands per week). Wikidata is at its core a project where automated editing dominates over manual editing by a wide margin, and this applies to item creation as well. We have difficulties to keep up with non-notable item creation with this "fast quick deletion" mode, and it is way beyond our capacities as a community to discuss cases on an individual level when item creation is often automated and not related to any significant cost/effort.
• If an item has been deleted and you disagree, you should usually first contact the deleting item and ask for undeletion, and what was missing from the item that led to its deletion. Depending on the situation, undeletion might often be a rather straightforward process—but not always, of course.
• The format of this user page is called a "structured discussions board", a software which the Wikimedia foundation has written almost 10 years ago. It is unfortunately in the process of being removed from Wikimedia wikis, thus there is no possibility anymore to activate it—and I think I will be losing mine as well in the future.

Hope that helps. Otherwise feel free to ask follow-up questions.