Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ukraine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Article creator has been unable to convince anyone else that this player is notable. asilvering (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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New sources are either from the league in which he plays or are basic WP:ROUTINE coverage about a specific game with no meaningful coverage of the player himself. This is not WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) have nothing to do with the league (UPL) in which Pshenychnyuk plays, and imho they are not something like WP:ROUTINE coverage. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Ukraine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I've reviewed the new sources and none of them show significant coverage. Sport.ua confirms that he scored his first goal and that he is a midfielder but the rest is pure Q&A with no independent analysis. UA-Football confirms his age and number of appearances and then copies and pastes the same Q&A from the previous source, so is also not sufficient. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think the most important thing about a source according to WP:SIGCOV is not evidence of notability, but rather sufficient and significant coverage on the topic. Imho the source provides it. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The source provides information about the importance of the goal scored by the player. In addition, there is information about the player's technical skills that he used to score. The article also provides statistical information about the player. The importance of the victory the team acquired through the player's goal is also mentioned. In my opinion the source presents a compact but good analysis that can be considered as significant coverage. Adding the other two sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) to the source gives, in my opinion, sufficient and significant coverage here. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Sourcing deeply insufficient for GNG. Routine match reports never count towards notability, and that is definitely what the handful of sources here are. JoelleJay (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There are other sources (for example source-1, source-2, source-3) that I think provide the GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify – If the creator Web-wiki-warrior agree to submit this time. I see good faith in the creation of the article, but the notability of the sources still raises doubts. Svartner (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not necessarily questioning good faith here, as it's certainly not bad faith, but the creator's understanding of what is significant and meaningful coverage is deeply, deeply flawed, and this has been shown over several articles/AfDs now. I think submission should be an absolute minimum for any kind of draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please provide an example of what you think is sufficient and significant coverage when it comes to an wikipedia article about a football player. 80.149.46.228 (talk) 08:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this example of significant coverage for Leah Williamson. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent example. Thank you. Anwegmann (talk) 23:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: Thank you for example, but that doesn't lead me to think that at least following sources (source-1, source-2, source-3) don't provide WP:SIGCOV about Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are just passing mentions from what I can read... ಠ_ಠ ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong ... 1. The sources I mentioned/provided (source-1, source-2, source-3) are not passing mentions. 2. I don't think you can read Ukrainian, so in this context, I don't think you can judge 100% whether the content of the sources mentioned above provides WP:SIGCOV or not. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General question: Is an interview (for example at least for 30 Minutes) with the football player that was published as a YouTube video considered as sufficient and significant coverage? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per last AFD. I really don't see potential as a draft since almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong again if we take a closer look at your sentence "almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for". Pshenychnyuk plays for Ukrainian Premier League side FC Chornomorets Odesa. If you don't know the team doesn't mean nobody outside Ukraine knows the club he plays for. If we take a look at Wikipedia article FC Chornomorets Odesa (it's the club Pshenychnyuk plays for), we can see that article is provided by 37 languages. Furthermore, it is not a criterion of WP:SIGCOV whether someone outside Ukraine knows/doesn't know football teams from the Ukrainian Premier League. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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