Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 22
September 22
[edit]Category:Chemical looping technologies
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Chemical looping technologies to Category:Chemical process engineering
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There are one two pages in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 12:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, though I am not sure if Category:Chemical process engineering or Category:Chemical processes is the right target. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't really sure either, so any content experts would be much appreciated! Mason (talk) 17:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, with potential rename to expand scope slightly for inclusion of additional related articles. I've never heard the phrase "chemical looping", but I know that pressure swing adsorption, anthraquinone process, and several decaffeination processes are all a comparable concept. Maybe something with "cycle" rather than "loop" is better? These are all like a catalytic cycle, but where the cycle is interrupted by time and/or place instead of a one-pot type of process. Thanks for the WPCHEM ping, HouseBlaster! DMacks (talk) 06:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @DMacks: so how exactly should this be renamed? And which other articles can be added after renaming? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I said, I'm not sure of the name. I'm in the chemistry world, not engineering, so I don't know if engineers have a more-general term here. In addition to the three articles I already mentioned, also sulfur–iodine cycle (and other thermochemical cycles) and Girdler sulfide process come to mind. DMacks (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! It hadn't even occurred to me that this is about engineering rather than about chemistry. I left a notification at the WikiProject Engineering talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome! I looked up some likely synonym/descriptor phrases, and couldn' find anything else consistent. "Loop" in the context of reactor design seems to have several distinct modes (closed vs open; but a flow reactor might be a loop but not have discrete reaction zones; and component reactions might each be themselves a batch vs continuous). Hopefully some engineering folks can help figure out a reasonable term of art here. DMacks (talk) 17:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! It hadn't even occurred to me that this is about engineering rather than about chemistry. I left a notification at the WikiProject Engineering talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I said, I'm not sure of the name. I'm in the chemistry world, not engineering, so I don't know if engineers have a more-general term here. In addition to the three articles I already mentioned, also sulfur–iodine cycle (and other thermochemical cycles) and Girdler sulfide process come to mind. DMacks (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @DMacks: so how exactly should this be renamed? And which other articles can be added after renaming? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'll emphasize the message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Engineering. And thank you to DMacks for your help so far!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, both of these processes can be pointed towards a broad category of Category:Chemical processes, followed by Category:Chemical_reactions or buried deeper under Category:Combustion.
Reasoning for this, looking at both associated articles, they describe oxidizing reactions (one literally for combustion and the other for a process of reformation/gasification (which is creates gases like H2/N2/etc.)) The name (if applicable) could be renamed to something to the effect of oxidative looping, combustion looping, process looping, etc. Process is probably the most broad and applicable — ChemicalBear (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC) 01:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Medieval mosques
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in the 1090s to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in the 1090s and Category:11th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in 1092 to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in 1092 and Category:11th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in the 1120s to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in the 1120s and Category:12th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in 1124 to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in 1124 and Category:12th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in the 1160s to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in the 1160s and Category:12th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in 1163 to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in 1163 and Category:12th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in the 1210s to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in the 1210s and Category:13th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in 1213 to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in 1213 and Category:13th-century mosques
- Propose merging Category:Mosques completed in the 1220s to Category:Religious buildings and structures completed in the 1220s and Category:13th-century mosques
- Nominator's rationale: merge, these are mostly one-article isolated categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment {{clc}} check here. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge 11th & 12th centuries only - that is, the first 6 categories in the proposal. Looking at Mosques by year of completion, most year-cats up to the 20th century have 1-3 articles. Looking laterally on either side of 15th-century mosques, all century-cats from the 13th century onward have at least 9 decade-cats, and most decade-cats from the 13th to the mid 19th century have 1-3 year-cats. The 11th & 12th centuries are the most barren outliers, with 1 and 2 decade-cats respectively, only 3 year-cats between them, and so are a better cutoff point than the 15th century. The next cohort to consider, if at all, is from the 13th to the 19th century, and should not be split arbitrarily at the 15th century. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a good idea to keep very poorly-populated decade categories in the 13th to 15th century. That may change from the 16th century onwards. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The 3 distinct century-cohorts are [11, 12], [13-18], [19+]:
Century | Number completed |
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11th | |
12th | |
13th | |
14th | |
15th | |
16th | |
17th | |
18th | |
19th | |
20th |
- If you want to merge the 13th, 14th, or 15th centuries, then you should include the 16th, 17th, 18th as well. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus favors merging the 11th and 12th century categories; more discussion is needed to determine whether the rest of them should be merged or not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, let's do the 11th and 12th century now and leave the 13th to 18th century to a fresh nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lighthouse of Alexandria
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in this category. It rather is a "what links here" collection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It covers the lighthouse's architect Sostratus of Cnidus, its destruction in the 1303 Crete earthquake, several attempts at duplication, and depictions in fiction. Dimadick (talk) 05:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- 1303 Crete earthquake is a good example, its epicenter wasn't in Egypt, it caused damage all over Crete and Egypt. Lighthouse of Alexandria really isn't a defining characteristic of this earthquake. This applies similarly to the other articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment A majority of the (now-13) articles should be removed, or moved to a new Cultural depictions of the Lighthouse of Alexandria if consensus for such a category exists. I'm not sure there will be more than 3 articles left when that is done. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the suggestion for a Category:Cultural depictions of the Lighthouse of Alexandria? If that happens, should we also delete this category?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Failed verification and WP:NONDEF issues. I checked several articles at random and most do not support the source of the claim of Native American descent being "self-identification" or that the individuals have not "shared proof of this heritage" (proof is not mentioned). The insinuation here is that these people are not genuinely of Native American descent but sources don't support (or contradict) that. As for some self-sourced claims of descent being false, that is true for all other types of descent but we justifiably don't have Category:People who self-identify as being of Sephardic Jewish descent. Furthermore, people saying "I'm Native American" in an interview, if they lack a genuine connection to Native American culture, is never going to meet the standard for categorization in WP:NONDEF. (t · c) buidhe 21:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe, I agree that these should be deleted per nom but definitely nominate all the subcategories too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose. This was the subject of a very long CFD, the contributors of which should be pinged. Mason (talk) 22:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't realize that there had been a prior CfD but the result is hard to reconcile with the P&G. Seems like a better solution to the identified problem might to be enforcing existing wp:defining rules or even eliminating Native American categories by descent that aren't for registered tribal members. The situation as it is now feels like Wikipedia trying to decide who is proven to be a real Native American or not—which the sources, in the vast majority of cases, don't allow us to do. (t · c) buidhe 02:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, it's unclear to me what differentiates this category tree from the People of Native American descent tree. Articles like Tiffany Darwish seem like they could be placed into either. What type of source is required to declare Native American identity "proven" rather than a mater of "self-identification"? (t · c) buidhe 02:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that almost all articles in the category fail verification as it is currently drafted. This is a problematic category, especially for BLPs. It is a subcat of Category:American people who self-identify as being of Indigenous descent, which makes the stronger claim that the indivudals have no proof of the heritage. (Previous parent categories put everyone in this category under Category:Native American cultural appropriation and Category:Transracial (identity), but those at least have been removed.) It is of limited use to have a category that groups together known frauds, people who have a genuine but incorrect belief that they have Indigenous ancestry, and people who do have Indigenous ancestry but a particular standard of proof hasn't been found in reliable sources.--Trystan (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose. This was the subject of a very long CFD, the contributors of which should be pinged. Mason (talk) 22:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe, I agree that these should be deleted per nom but definitely nominate all the subcategories too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose per Mason. There was very fierce opposition at the time. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Girls Baseball League players
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NONDEF. Not a notable league which was limited to only one state and all of these players were better known for their time with the AAGPBL. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
National shores of the United States
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National Seashores of the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National seashores of the United States
- Propose renaming Category:National Lakeshores of the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National lakeshores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. Similar nomination were opposed at CFDS (see other entries on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Monuments of Colombia
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments of Colombia to Category:National monuments of Colombia
- Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Monuments in Guyana
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Guyana to Category:National monuments in Guyana
- Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Parks in Indiana
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National Parks in Indiana to Category:National parks in Indiana
- Nominator's rationale: De-caps per everything else in the tree of Category:National parks of the United States by state. It was possibly opposed at CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
National (P/p)arks of Canada
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Proposed National Parks of Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Proposed national parks of Canada
- Propose renaming Category:National Parks of Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National parks of Canada
- Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was potentially opposed at CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Thai political parties disestablished in 2024
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This isolated category is incorrectly using Template:PolParsDisEstCat and there's not a need to disffuse Political parties disestablished in 2024 by nationality Mason (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:2024 disestablishments in Thailand. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
National (M/m)onuments in the United States categories
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments of the United States to Category:National monuments of the United States
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments designated by Barack Obama to Category:National monuments designated by Barack Obama
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Alabama to Category:National monuments in Alabama
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Alaska to Category:National monuments in Alaska
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Arizona to Category:National monuments in Arizona
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in California to Category:National monuments in California
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Colorado to Category:National monuments in Colorado
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Florida to Category:National monuments in Florida
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:National monuments in Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Hawaii to Category:National monuments in Hawaii
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Idaho to Category:National monuments in Idaho
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Iowa to Category:National monuments in Iowa
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Kentucky to Category:National monuments in Kentucky
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Louisiana to Category:National monuments in Louisiana
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Maine to Category:National monuments in Maine
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Maryland to Category:National monuments in Maryland
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Minnesota to Category:National monuments in Minnesota
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Missouri to Category:National monuments in Missouri
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Montana to Category:National monuments in Montana
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Nebraska to Category:National monuments in Nebraska
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Nevada to Category:National monuments in Nevada
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in New Jersey to Category:National monuments in New Jersey
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in New Mexico to Category:National monuments in New Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in New York (state) to Category:National monuments in New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in New York City to Category:National monuments in New York City
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Ohio to Category:National monuments in Ohio
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Oregon to Category:National monuments in Oregon
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in South Carolina to Category:National monuments in South Carolina
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in South Dakota to Category:National monuments in South Dakota
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Texas to Category:National monuments in Texas
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Utah to Category:National monuments in Utah
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Virginia to Category:National monuments in Virginia
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Washington (state) to Category:National monuments in Washington (state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Washington, D.C. to Category:National monuments in Washington, D.C.
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in Wyoming to Category:National monuments in Wyoming
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments in the United States Virgin Islands to Category:National monuments in the United States Virgin Islands
- Propose renaming Category:National Monuments of the United States by state to Category:National monuments of the United States by state
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments to Category:National Park Service national monuments
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments by state to Category:National Park Service national monuments by state
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Alabama to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Alabama
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Alaska to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Alaska
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Arizona to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Arizona
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in California to Category:National Park Service national monuments in California
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Colorado to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Colorado
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Florida to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Florida
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Hawaii to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Hawaii
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Idaho to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Idaho
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Iowa to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Iowa
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Kentucky to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Kentucky
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Louisiana to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Louisiana
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Maryland to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Maryland
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Minnesota to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Minnesota
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Missouri to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Missouri
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Montana to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Montana
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Nebraska to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Nebraska
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Nevada to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Nevada
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in New Jersey to Category:National Park Service national monuments in New Jersey
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in New Mexico to Category:National Park Service national monuments in New Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in New York (state) to Category:National Park Service national monuments in New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in New York City to Category:National Park Service national monuments in New York City
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Oregon to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Oregon
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in South Dakota to Category:National Park Service national monuments in South Dakota
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Texas to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Texas
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Utah to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Utah
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Virginia to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Virginia
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Washington, D.C. to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Washington, D.C.
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in Wyoming to Category:National Park Service national monuments in Wyoming
- Propose renaming Category:National Park Service National Monuments in the United States Virgin Islands to Category:National Park Service national monuments in the United States Virgin Islands
- Propose renaming Category:Bureau of Land Management National Monuments to Category:Bureau of Land Management national monuments
- Propose renaming Category:Bureau of Land Management National Monuments in Nevada to Category:Bureau of Land Management national monuments in Nevada
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Monuments of the United States to Category:Former national monuments of the United States
- Propose renaming Category:United States Forest Service National Monuments to Category:United States Forest Service national monuments
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D per List of national monuments of the United States. These were opposed as CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Speedy discussion
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I guess you responded after I stopped checking regularly for a response, so thank you for the note on my talk page. DGG is deceased, so it's obviously not an option to seek his input. I'm opposed to using obscure corners of project space to bypass discussion on items which should be discussed. Some editors in those project spaces appear only interested in pursuing (a purely superficial notion ) consistency, often without regard for whether there was any consistency involved WRT consensus enroute to that point. Hence, my earlier mention venue-shopping. I have no strong opinion on capitalization variants other than they're often time wasters that stand in the way of moving the project forward. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Natural Monuments of Nepal
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Natural Monuments of Nepal to Category:Natural monuments of Nepal
- Nominator's rationale: Capitalization fix; C2D per List of natural monuments in Nepal. It was sort of opposed as CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD to be safe. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
National (F/f)orests categories
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Alabama to Category:Former national forests of Alabama
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Arizona to Category:Former national forests of Arizona
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of California to Category:Former national forests of California
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Colorado to Category:Former national forests of Colorado
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Former national forests of Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Idaho to Category:Former national forests of Idaho
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Illinois to Category:Former national forests of Illinois
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Maryland to Category:Former national forests of Maryland
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Montana to Category:Former national forests of Montana
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Nebraska to Category:Former national forests of Nebraska
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Nevada to Category:Former national forests of Nevada
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of New Jersey to Category:Former national forests of New Jersey
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of New Mexico to Category:Former national forests of New Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of New York (state) to Category:Former national forests of New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Oregon to Category:Former national forests of Oregon
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Pennsylvania to Category:Former national forests of Pennsylvania
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of South Carolina to Category:Former national forests of South Carolina
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of South Dakota to Category:Former national forests of South Dakota
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Utah to Category:Former national forests of Utah
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Virginia to Category:Former national forests of Virginia
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Washington (state) to Category:Former national forests of Washington (state)
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of Wyoming to Category:Former national forests of Wyoming
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests of the United States to Category:Former national forests of the United States
- Propose renaming Category:Former National Forests that were military bases to Category:Former national forests that were military bases
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Alabama to Category:National forests of Alabama
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Alaska to Category:National forests of Alaska
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Arizona to Category:National forests of Arizona
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Arkansas to Category:National forests of Arkansas
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of California to Category:National forests of California
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Colorado to Category:National forests of Colorado
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Florida to Category:National forests of Florida
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:National forests of Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Idaho to Category:National forests of Idaho
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Illinois to Category:National forests of Illinois
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Indiana to Category:National forests of Indiana
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Kentucky to Category:National forests of Kentucky
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Louisiana to Category:National forests of Louisiana
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Maryland to Category:National forests of Maryland
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Michigan to Category:National forests of Michigan
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Minnesota to Category:National forests of Minnesota
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Mississippi to Category:National forests of Mississippi
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Missouri to Category:National forests of Missouri
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Montana to Category:National forests of Montana
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Nebraska to Category:National forests of Nebraska
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Nevada to Category:National forests of Nevada
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of New Hampshire to Category:National forests of New Hampshire
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of New Jersey to Category:National forests of New Jersey
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of New Mexico to Category:National forests of New Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of New York (state) to Category:National forests of New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of North Carolina to Category:National forests of North Carolina
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Ohio to Category:National forests of Ohio
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Oklahoma to Category:National forests of Oklahoma
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Oregon to Category:National forests of Oregon
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Pennsylvania to Category:National forests of Pennsylvania
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Puerto Rico to Category:National forests of Puerto Rico
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of South Carolina to Category:National forests of South Carolina
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of South Dakota to Category:National forests of South Dakota
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Tennessee to Category:National forests of Tennessee
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Texas to Category:National forests of Texas
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Utah to Category:National forests of Utah
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Vermont to Category:National forests of Vermont
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Virginia to Category:National forests of Virginia
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Washington (state) to Category:National forests of Washington (state)
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of West Virginia to Category:National forests of West Virginia
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Wisconsin to Category:National forests of Wisconsin
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of Wyoming to Category:National forests of Wyoming
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of the Appalachians to Category:National forests of the Appalachians
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of the Rocky Mountains to Category:National forests of the Rocky Mountains
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of the U.S. Interior Highlands to Category:National forests of the U.S. Interior Highlands
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of the United States to Category:National forests of the United States
- Propose renaming Category:National Forests of the United States by state to Category:National forests of the United States by state
- Nominator's rationale: Sort of WP:C2A, fixing capitalization. These were possibly opposed at CFDS, but to be safe I am initiating a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes
[edit]- Convert Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes to article Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes
- Nominator's rationale: I think that this category needs a lot of context and thus should be a list/page not a category. Mason (talk) 18:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete; the article of the show - Hogan's Heroes#Casting - does cover this fact so a seperate article is not required. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:American Folklorists of Color
[edit]- Propose merging Category:American Folklorists of Color to Category:African-American folklorists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:OCawards Mason (talk) 18:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain -- This category is about a very specific group of folklorists, those that were named by the American Folklore Society. Some of those included are not African-American; some are Hispanic and Native American. Pete unseth (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- But that's not a reason to keep a category. This isn't defining. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I would say delete rather than merge since they aren't all African American. (I don't know why it is a subcategory of that though since that is the case). ETA: also manually add categories if needed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking! I think manually merge is a good solution. I had added everyone already to the American folklorists. Mason (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain -- This category is about a very specific group of folklorists, those that were named by the American Folklore Society. Some of those included are not African-American; some are Hispanic and Native American. Pete unseth (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Plant root morphology
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Plant root morphology to Category:Plant roots
- Nominator's rationale: Upmege. There's no need to distinguish between plant roots and plant toor morphology. Note: The category creator was
bannedblocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC) - The creator has not been banned. Please do not make statements that are both incorrect and irrelevant when they could be seen as canvassing a debate.
- That said, upmerge Andy Dingley (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
- @Andy Dingley, I agree with what you said but the creator has indeed been blocked - See here - and that they were blocked for disruptive category creation. Additionally, I think it is relevant in this case because this was one of the many categories they created just before they were blocked. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I checked the ANI board and you were part of the convo there. So I'm guessing you meant something else by "bannned" since they are blocked from editing. I assumed they were interchangable. I'm guessing @Smasongarrison meant "blocked" as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I meant blocked. My bad. I've stricken and updated the nom. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I checked the ANI board and you were part of the convo there. So I'm guessing you meant something else by "bannned" since they are blocked from editing. I assumed they were interchangable. I'm guessing @Smasongarrison meant "blocked" as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cell division
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Cell division to Category:Cellular processes
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category isn't helpful for navigation because it only has one page and a category. It's also a category created by a user blocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish American legal scholars
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Jewish American legal scholars to Category:Jewish American academics
- Propose merging Category:Jewish legal scholars to Category:Jewish legal scholars
- Nominator's rationale: We really don't need to intersection ethnicity/religion with area of scholarship. The category creator needs to review WP:EGRS.Mason (talk) 03:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Oy veh. All I can say is, "trivial intersection" my tuchus. Please excuse my French, I mean Yiddish. ;)
- Seriously, though - are you guys totally unaware that Jewish legal scholarship stretches back centuries? (Actually, millenia.) It is deeply embedded in Jewish culture, outlook and ethos - and intertwined with Western legal history. So it's not in the least surprising that there are so many Jewish people among the ranks of Category:American legal scholars - and that so many of the most well-known and widely cited American legal scholars are Jewish.
- Here is a small selection of the "google blurbs" that turned up when I googled "Jewish legal scholars history", which should give you a sense of what I'm alluding to:
- Jewish Law and American Law, Volume 2 - Academic Studies Press
- Through careful comparative analysis, the essays also turn to Jewish law to provide insights into substantive and conceptual areas of the American legal system, ...
- The Hebrews and the Foundation of Western Law
- Starting as early as the second century A.D., Jewish scholars attempted to compile a code of laws from the Torah and other sources, which would assemble all ...
- The Hidden Influence of Jewish Law on the Common Law Tradition
- As Christian scholars sought contacts with Jewish intellectuals in order to...
- Jewish Law: A Very Brief Account - David D. Friedman
- Jewish law may be the best recorded legal system in the history of the world; there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of pages of surviving ...
- Oxford University Press - An Introduction to the History and Sources of Jewish Law
- Jewish law has a history stretching from the early period to the modern State of Israel, encompassing: the Talmud, Geonic, and later codifications. // :Instead, the work would take a broader view and include material from the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hellenistic Egypt, Roman law, the Samaritans and the Karaites
- Jewish Law Research Guide | University of Miami School of Law
- The Post-Talmudic legal scholars are separated into three historical sub-periods: geonim (700-1050), reshonim (1050-1599), and aharonim (1600-today).
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- In closing, I've now added 15 more articles to this category, and there are scores more that can be added. Which reminds me: I also created Category:African-American legal scholars a few years back, which now has 42 articles. Like their Jewish counterparts, they bring their own outlook and ethos with them when they engage in legal scholarship. And lastly, I just created the "missing" parent cat, Category:Jewish legal scholars. There are scores of articles about non-American Jewish legal scholars waiting to be added. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Request:Please review Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people. It will help you make more effective arguments. Also please don't create categories mid-cfd. I've adding the newly created category to the nomination. AND, please don't conflate Israeli legal scholars with Jewish legal scholars. I am aware of the intersection, but I do not think it counts at the intersetion of nationality+those things. @Anomalous+0 and Marcocapelle: per updated nom. Mason (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I also agree with the Israeli/Jewish conflation. Being Israeli doesn't mean a person is Jewish and vice versa. We should avoid that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I just noticed that you're merging Category:Jewish legal scholars into itself. May need to fix that! Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Request:Please review Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people. It will help you make more effective arguments. Also please don't create categories mid-cfd. I've adding the newly created category to the nomination. AND, please don't conflate Israeli legal scholars with Jewish legal scholars. I am aware of the intersection, but I do not think it counts at the intersetion of nationality+those things. @Anomalous+0 and Marcocapelle: per updated nom. Mason (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The "American" aspect makes this a trivial intersection. (t · c) buidhe 21:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Church of Sweden clergymen in Colonial North America
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This category is extremely narrow. I think it should either be merged to 17th/18th century American Lutheran clergy or renamed to Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept then delete, because all articles are already in Category:17th-century American Lutheran clergy or Category:18th-century American Lutheran clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies; much better than my original. Creuzbourg (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:France and the Sea
[edit]- Propose merging Category:France and the Sea to Category:Water in France
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/vague category. Mason (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to Category:Maritime organisations based in France, this is a more specific merge target that seems to fit all articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with the above. Creuzbourg (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternative merge.Mason (talk) 15:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with Alt. 2A02:8388:66C3:4A80:1859:E118:D2E9:9608 (talk) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with the above. Creuzbourg (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nijisanji
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single entry. Partofthemachine (talk) 02:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, if the Dokibird article survives the AfD process it can directly linked to from Nijisanji, we do not need a category for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:People of Mexican side in the Texas Revolution
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: The current name sounds awkward and is confusing/inconsistent Mason (talk) 01:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Technically both sides were Mexican people when the revolution started. Perhaps Category:Pro-Mexico people of the Texas Revolution? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves
[edit]- Convert Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves to article Things in the United States that were built by slaves
- Nominator's rationale: Unforuntely, I don't think that this is defining because these "things" aren't regularlly defined as built by slaves Mason (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, possibly listify per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- If converted to a list, article should be named Structures in the United States built by slaves. "Things" is so vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)