Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diablo (upcoming film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Suggest discussion on NFF wording continue elsewhere and be clarified, if needed. Star Mississippi 01:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diablo (upcoming film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Unreleased film, not expected to release until 2025. Does not meet WP:NFF or WP:SIGCOV, and won't until release. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It should be created on release day. AutorisedUser673 (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that is a joke, that’s funny. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Filming complete; reliable sources cover production with significant information allowing to build and expand so that the page can be retained and wait for reviews that will come probably around the time of the expected release. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Chile and United States of America. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment - why does it matter that "filming is complete" - the film is not being released until 2025. WP:NFF is clear: Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. There is nothing notable about the production itself, and the film has not yet been released, so... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, it does matter whether filming has started (or, for that matter, is complete) or not, for obvious reasons and for policy-based reasons. As for the rest, I beg to differ. We have reliable media outlets offering significant coverage about cast, plot, production, etc, so I will stand by my Keep. NFF is clear, yes, maybe, and production seems notable enough per the guidelines. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Standard to have articles once films have begun filming.★Trekker (talk) 23:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:NFF statement above. Filming has begun and as Deadline Hollywood has reported, the filming has wrapped. That said, most citations about the filming and completion were not stated by their said sources in the article and were really mangled. I've adjusted them now. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reminder that "filming complete" is the requirement for films that don't have independently notable production, and doesn't in itself mean that we need a standalone article on the film yet. Are there reasons to keep beyond "meets the bare minimum"?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 22:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused. The general requirement for films that don't have independently notable production (ie films meeting NFF), is that filming has begun, not the wrapping of filming (which implies it has started, obviously). Or did you mean something else? As for "meets the bare minimum", well, I am not sure this is strictly the case, but if it is, then, what's the issue? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The state of filming is unimportant (and I'm not sure why it's included in the NFF statement Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.) - it's clearly just confusing. The important detail is that absent the production somehow being significant, the film a) needs to have been released, and b) otherwise satisfies WP:N via WP:SIGCOV in independent WP:RS. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

??????? Then change the guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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