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I politely disagree with removing the quotes in the references. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I politely disagree with you adding them in the first place. The vast majority of the community does not use them, consensus is against them. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Footnotes#Style_recommendations "he decision on whether to use quotes in footnotes is primarily a decision of style and may vary from article to article. Some citation templates include parameters for quotes, and quoted text can also be added inside a footnote either preceding of following a template-produced citation. Quoting text can be useful for the verifiability of material in an article. Footnoted quotes are acceptable if they are brief, relevant to the article text that is being footnoted..." these quotes are not brief and do not add anything appreciable. Every ref does not warrant a quote. Just like you added to R.A.C. Smith and George Murray Hulbert today, you add them because you like them but they are not used by most of the community, so consensus is against you. Do you recall the famous ANI thread on this from over a year ago? — Rlevse • Talk • 21:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Norton, I came across this question on your Talk page after I saw the new article R.A.C. Smith and edited it to remove the overuse of footnoted quotes. As I said at Talk:R.A.C. Smith, there is certainly no justification for extensive text quotes in citation footnotes, especially when you've already linked the cite to a stable online source such as the NY Times where verifiability is not an issue. Using the quote parameter in a citation should be done sparingly, such as to provide the reader with a fuller quote from a book when its inclusion in the main article text would be undesirable. I agree with Rlevse and have removed them here, in line with customary practice and consensus.  JGHowes  ^talk 13:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Howes. I too saw this article discussed earlier today on RAN's talk page. I use the quotation feature in quotes, including a few edits earlier today, a built-in design feature of Wikipedia. It provides additional context for a quotation, especially useful when the sources are not available online as for articles in The New York Times before 1981, for which the vast majority of readers will not have access, no matter how stable the source is. There is no customary practice or consensus on this matter and it is purely a matter of personal preference. You are free to not use it and to ignore it when used. When I see someone edit an article on my watchlist and all that has been done was to change "color" to "colour" or "27 July" to "July 27", in cases where there is no clear choice of UK or US English, I shake my head at the waste of time of trying to impose an arbitrary preference. Just as I would not start a needless edit war over such formatting, I fail to see why anyone would start an edit war based on your personal preference. Rlevse is certainly aware of efforts to address the "footnoted quote" issue, for which Arbcom basically decided that the choice was an arbitrary one up to individual editors. If he wanted to utilize his position at the time as clerk to eliminate the use of footnoted quotes the opportunity was there and it was not taken. At this point, there is absolutely no policy issue preventing the use of quotes in footnotes and I see no consensus for their removal. In stating that a majority of people don't use the feature, Rlevse misrepresents the meaning of "consensus" in insisting that no one is allowed to use it ("you add them because you like them but they are not used by most of the community, so consensus is against you"). One would hope that admins and bureaucrats would be the first people to allow editors adding sources to articles to edit rather than to manufacture issues and create controversy where none exist. There must be real problems happening somewhere on Wikipedia where your collective authority can address far more genuine issues of importance. Alansohn (talk) 01:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]