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I blocked [[User:Zivinbudas|Zivinbudas]] as 85.206.202.162, and he returns immediately so [[User:Dbachmann|Dab]] has to revert his vandalism. What happened? If someone unblocked him, I'd like to know why.--[[User:Wiglaf|Wiglaf]] 15:57, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:If someone else blocked him as well for a shorter period of time, the shorter block expires first. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 18:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:His most recent edit was one minute before you blocked him (cf. the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3A85.206.202.162 block log] and his [[Special:Contributions/85.206.202.162|contribs]]). I always refresh a vandal's contribs list directly after I block him to make sure I haven't missed any edits. &mdash; [[User:Rdsmith4|Dan]] | [[User talk:Rdsmith4|Talk]] 18:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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==[[:Category:NowCommons]]==
Could someone please see my comments on the category's [[Category talk:NowCommons|talk page]] and start doing something about it? IMO, enwiki is too focused on bureaucracy and too little focused on getting things done. [[User:Jhs|Jon Harald Søby]] \ <sup>[[:no:Bruker:Jhs|no]] [[:na:User:Jon Harald Søby|na]]</sup> 16:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
:If I delete nowcommons images, would anyone really mind? &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 20:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
::If in the process you lose essential copyright information, such as the list of original authors, then yes we would all mind. Moving a GFDL image to commons means more than just uploading it over there, so one needs to check that all the neccesary steps were taken before the image is deleted. For the most part, people have been discouraged from deleting NowCommons images while we await the magic MediaWiki tool that will make it simple to move the authorship and version information to Commons. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] *** 20:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 
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:Thanks for that info. :) -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] (''[[User talk:Schneelocke|cheeks clone]]'') 18:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 
Thanks for that template. [[User:JarlaxleArtemis|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"> <font color="black">‡</font></font> <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> <font color="darkgreen">Jarlaxle</font></font>]] *** 20:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==Final decisions==
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*'''Note''' Ryan does not seem to understand what Wikipedia is and is not. -- [[User:Corey.spring|Corey.spring]] *** 10:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 
*''delted'' , ''I was shocked and disgusting'' (that was my favorite one, ''was snotbelieved'', ''SOme'', ''page sto'', ''it is not promotion'', ''tweo''. First of all, if the article was written like the above paragraph it may have not been because of your age. Also, If you are a writer, god help anyone who tries to read that. By the way, a good phrase I read on wikipedia somewhere is that if your subject is notable enough, then someone else without a direct connection to it will come along a write an article. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 03:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==Sockpupperary==
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This sort of stuff can't be tolerated and is even worse than vandalism.--[[User:Esto|Esto]] 04:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:Wishing that someone would die isn't a death threat. It would be a death threat if he said he or someone else would kill that person. [[User:JarlaxleArtemis|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"> <font color="black">‡</font></font> <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> <font color="darkgreen">Jarlaxle</font></font>]] *** 06:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
*Qv [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy/Personal attacks]]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<span style="color:orange;">&gt;|&lt;</span>]] *** 07:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 
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After a [[WP:3RR]] complaint, I blocked both [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] and [[User:2004-12-29T22:45Z|2004-12-29T22:45Z]] for 24 hours for a [[WP:3RR|3RR violation]] (2004-12-29T22:45Z documented it at [[WP:AN/3RR]]). Following this, [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]] protected the page, per [[WP:RfPP]]. Schmucky beleives, as he says on his [[User talk:SchmuckyTheCat|talk page]] and at the administrator's noticeboard of incidents (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=22375734#Real_life_sometimes_intrudes Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Real life sometimes intrudes]), that the information on the founder's previous employment was evidence of "clear real-life harrassment", and that Jimbo should be informed. I disagreed on his views, but promised him I'd take the matter to [[WP:AN]]. Can some admins please take a look at the case and review it? Thanks in advance! [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] |<small> [[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <span style="color:brown;"> note? </span>]]| [[User:Flcelloguy/Desk|Desk ]]</small> 23:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
:Actually I protected it beofre you did the blocks, not that it really matters. Schmucky left the not on my talk page, too, but I honestly don't know what to think about it. I don't know or care much about this article, and I only protected it because of the obvious edit war. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] *** 04:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
:I wouldn't call it harassment. [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[User:JCarriker/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 04:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 
::The ''seven'' external links following Sherrod DeGrippo's name look a little stalkerish to me, and after reviewing the edit history, I can't help but feel that [[User:2004-12-29T22:45Z]] was showing quite a bit of inappropriate POV in the matter...not that this is an admin matter. With the page protected, I hope they can work this out on the talk page. Flcelloguy's actions here are entirely justified under 3RR, as I think it would be difficult to show that 2004-12-29T22:45Z's edits represent "pure vandalism" as 3RR allows for. [[User:Func|Func]]( [[User_talk:Func|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Func|c]], [[Special:Emailuser/Func|@]],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&user=Func &nbsp;]) 14:28, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
:::To be fair to [[user:2004-12-29T22:45Z]] a lot the external links were only added [[Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica#Sherrod_DeGrippo:_Why_isn.27t_he_mentioned_on_the_article.3F|to apease]] [[User:SqueakBox]] and confirm that [[ED:GirlVinyl]] = Sherood DeGripoo (wether the info ''should'' be there is another matter and being discussed ATM).--[[User:ElvisThePrince|ElvisThePrince]] 15:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:::: This user [[User:2004-12-29T22:45Z|2004-12-29T22:45Z]] concerns me. I'd appreciate very much a little extra attention paid to this user's contribs in general, and some extra thought given. There are a number of peculiarities here ''([[User talk:2004-12-29T22:45Z|see my comments]])'', few of which I can isolate to specific policy violations, but which combine to set off my stinky fishy odor detector. I'd like a few eyeballs and brains here before taking steps. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[Wikipedia:Deletion reform|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 18:05, 2005 September 1 (UTC)
 
==harassment by ginadana==
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== Backlog at [[WP:CP]]==
The backlog on this page is rediculous. It's grown to be about 310kb long and takes an unreasonable amount of time to load. I would much appriciate someone cleaning it up at least a little. [[User:AlbertR|Alr]] 02:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
:It's not that bad, it's been getting shorter lately. Moving the stuff older than seven days to a different pagemight be useful though? --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] *** 15:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
::That would be a good idea. [[User:AlbertR|Alr]] 18:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
:::For the past several days, I have been one of the only ones working on clearing the backlog (although there has been some significant help today). Since I am no expert on copyright, this can be somewhat problematic and it tends to result in me leaving items on the list when I'm not sure what to do with them. With pages needing wikification listed as the collaboration of the week, the list is growing faster than I can clear it. Assistance is definitely needed. After a concerted effort the size is down a bit, but it's going to keep growing fairly rapidly for at least the duration of the week.
:::Would it be reasonable to have transcluded daily subpages like at [[WP:CfD]] and other similar pages? (They could even be deleted as they are cleared, since it takes admins to finish the clearing already.) One of the problems right now is that the page is so large that any changes are slow. This makes it difficult to add new entries or to add useful comments to old ones. -[[User:Aranel|Aranel]] (<font color="#ba0000">Sarah</font>) 18:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
::::I started working on the backlog yesterday -- I'm making it my major project at least until we bring it back down to manageable levels (and I do intend to go on working [[WP:CP]] after that, too). I think the best plan is to work through the backlog and ignore things that are too potentially complicated to deal with quickly. That might mean leaving a few entries for each day, but I think it makes more sense to deal with those after the backlog is sorted rather than drawing out the whole process. Incidentally, there's currently a discussion on WikiEn-l about good practice with regard to confirmations of permission that you might be interested in, Aranel. --[[User:Ngb|Ngb]]<sup> [[User_talk:Ngb|?!?]]</sup> 18:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
::I definately think subpages are a very good idea for WP:CP, as the page is now larger and than WP:PUI, and probably sone others. [[User:AlbertR|Alr]] 18:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
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== Curps' block bot ==
 
Curps is currently running a block bot which automatically blocks all non-admins that make too many page moves (and it promptly blocked me when I was undoing a page move spree too). He refuses to get it [[Wikipedia:Bots]] certified first. The bots policy suggests blocking, but as the bot can even run blocked (admins can block even when blocked themselves) and he's threatened to unblock himself if blocked, something else may be necessary. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] *** 08:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:Please see the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Anyone_else_getting_tired_of_this.3F|AN/I]] (permanent link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=22313795#Anyone_else_getting_tired_of_this.3F]), and please see [[Special:Log/move]] for August 26. The traditional Willy pagemove vandalism always stopped after around 40 or so pages, even when we didn't block him in time. On August 26, as [[User:Dieseldrinker]], he was doing 75 pagemoves per minute, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=Dieseldrinker&page=] and didn't stop until he was blocked. It took several admins and non-admins a few hours to undo what he did in only 2 1/2 minutes. He then launched 8 more attacks on the same day, however by this time I was running the bot and stopped him each time after about 20-30 pagemoves.
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:*: The only reason why I even post in [[Wikipedia:Bots]] is to make certain that they can indeed prove their bot is harmless. I've been following a general rule of allowing a test run of a given period, then if they have no complaints during their "trial run" -- they can apply for such a bot flag. The given period depends on the purpose of the bot, bots which seem to be more experimental or have the damage to cause harm yet may be still useful are given a longer trial run period. Personally, I'm taking the view that the [[Wikipedia talk:Bots]] page is a proposal for your bot to run. Therefore, people requesting for their bot to run must detail their proposal, and why they need a bot in the first place. Before this, we just allowed comments to sit a week, and everyone got their bot flag within a week. I intervened when I saw that there are some users who do make mistakes, who do use outdated bots, and who do not pay attention to warnings. Case in point, [[User:Flacus|Flacus]] with [[User:FlaBot|FlaBot]]. However, [[User:FlaBot|FlaBot]] seems to be in line now. The rules generally are that you have to have two accounts. One for your bot, one for yourself. There have been cases where people are requesting a bot flag for their own account. There are requests for people attempting to establish bot accounts with no user page. Bot accounts should always have user pages, because they need to describe the work they are doing, allowing an admin immediate insight to what the bot is doing and can it be blocked. Supposely, we are to block bots on sight... But that seems to be less the case now... I don't want to feel like I'm the only one posting their to approve bots... but that's what it seems to result as now. --[[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 11:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 
As I told you on your talk page, I think the bot is a good idea. But you should get it vetted on [[Wikipedia:Bots]] ''first'', so it doesn't do things like block me when I'm trying to restore page move vandalism. It's not some hurdle invented to keep the bureaucracy happy, it's there so people can check your ideas and make sure you don't cause collatoral damage like you did this morning. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] *** 09:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
*I think this bot is an excellent solution to a long-running problem, and should be kept active until the developers have a more permanent solution against pagemove vandalism. Several are being discussed on bugzilla, by the way. At present the track record is 11 succesful blocks and one mistake, which was quickly corrected. Collateral damage of Willy is far larger than that of Curps's bot. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<span style="color:orange;">&gt;|&lt;</span>]] *** 10:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 
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::I'll do that. I told him in IRC I didn't find it funny, but then he was like ":-D lol" without saying anything else. I will leave a note on his talk page, though. --[[User:WikiFan04|WikiFan04]]<sup>[[User_talk:WikiFan04|Talk]] 23:23, 2 Sep 2005 (CDT)</sup>
 
:::I never said :-D lol o.O Anywho, sometimes I do things such as that to users in IRC who I thought would like it, such as [[User:AngryParsley|AngryParsley]] gave me a [[:Image:PrankStar.gif|prank star]] for something I did at his page. Sorry if that pissed you off. [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[User:JCarriker/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 04:32, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== Is this sockpuppetry? ==
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== Help me!!!! ==
 
The VfD... PfD... AfD... Whatever the hell... is so unbelievably out of date. I'm working on it, but I need help. We must bridge this gap of transition until everything is AfD. And to those who don't know how to close, edit the page, and above the heading type <nowiki>{{subst:vt}} '''Delete/Keep/Merge/Redirect/No Consensus'''. ~~~~</nowiki> and at the bottom of the section write <nowiki>{{subst:vb}}</nowiki>. Even non admins can close VfD's, as long as the result isn't delete. Just make sure there's a 2/3 majority. [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 04:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:OK, I'll do some today. Just as a reminder, you can use the new templates [[:Template:Vd]], [[:Template:Vk]], and [[:Template:Vn]]. (see above) [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] |<small> [[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <span style="color:brown;"> note? </span>]]| [[User:Flcelloguy/Desk|Desk ]]</small> 15:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
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As with the [[Jordan Capri]] and [[Tawnee Stone]] complaints elsewhere, [[Porsha Blaze]], an entirely unnotable pornography actress, has had a page written about her. The sole purpose of this page appears to be to give out her real name and link to a blog she maintains outside her professional life. Could someone with admin powers delete this information, please? Also, I'll repeat my request regarding a firm and binding policy on publishing the real names of porn stars. This is just wrong, surely? [[User:Vizjim|Vizjim]] 07:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
* Done. I've edited it to only mention her pseudonym and the link to her cumfiesta.com page, deleted the article and undeleted only my newest edit to it. [[User:JIP|&mdash; <span style="color:#CC0000;">J</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">I</span><span style="color:#0000CC;">P</span>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 07:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
**That's bad though, now it's a GFDL vio. I've added a comment about the original poster on the talk page, but I do think we need some policy on this fast. (Personally I don't see a problem with posting personal information as long as it's verifiable). --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 07:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
****I agree we need a policy for this, seeing how many cases like this have popped up recently, but I don't see how handling the problem like JIP did creates a GFDL violation - surely the tiny bit of info now present in the article can be viewed as being entirely PD? -- [[User:Ferkelparade|Ferkelparade]] [[User_talk:Ferkelparade|&pi;]] 08:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
*****Yeah, we could probably get away with calling that uncopyrightable. There'll be other articles in future where we can't though. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 08:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
******And there has been in the past. I'm an admin who was some months ago contacted by a more famous porn star who wanted her recently added real name stricken from the article on her for the sake of her and her family's safty. Wikipedia was the only site on the net that had her real name (and it was obviously the right one since she was worried). I wasn't sure how to handle it, and decided that making a big fuss about it then would just make matters worse, so I just let her edit it out her self. It made most sense to me then, but I'm not sure how to handle cases like this. People will scream bloody censor and that wikipedia should simply state facts, but, well, maybe we shouldn't state every fact at all cost. (anon for the occation) [[User:83.227.105.210|83.227.105.210]] 00:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
*******It's really not that complicated. Either it's verifiable, in which case leaving it in the article isn't going to make matters any worse, or it isn't, in which case [[WP:NOT]] says we should remove it. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 00:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:I think it's a stupid idea even having the article porsha blaze. Not only does it give out little, if any, information, it gives an active link to a crude & disgusting porn site. If it doesn't get deleted altogether, it should be placed under a title such as: [[List of Mentionable Porn Stars]], or [[List of Porn Stars]]. This way everyone goes away happy. [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] 08:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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:::::I also believe that if someone's life could be harmed (physically, like stalking) due to the posting the information should be deletable, and I am sure the GNU folks will not have a problem with that. [[User:Zscout370|Zach]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
::::::The GNU folks have nothing to do with it though. The person who posted the material has agreed to licence it under the GFDL; if we violate that agreement '''we''' are violating the copyright of the original uploader.
::::::Also, I think calling reposting material freely available on the web putting someone's life in danger is a little bit alarmist at best. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 23:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
:::::::True, but we also have to consider how the original poster obtained the information. If illegally, it would not be covered under GFDL to begin with. It is just safer not to include such personal information unless easily obtainable from verifiable sources. [[Special:Contributions/Who|<span style="color:#000000;">&infin;</span>]][[User:Who|Who]][[User talk:Who|<span style="color:#FF0033;">?</span><span style="color:#FF00FF;">&iquest;</span><span style="color:#0033FF;">?</span>]] 23:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
::::::::We have no reason to assume the poster got the information through illegal methods, not only [[WP:AGF]] but also just common sense. If you were going to break the law, would you really do it just to find out someone's real name and post it to wikipedia? Anyway, whether or not they aquired the information legally has no bearing on their copyright on the material they created. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 23:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 
The present version of the software allows any who visits a page to see the "X deleted versions" link in the history and follow it to see the page history log for those deleted edits. They can't see the content of those edits, but they are able to see who made them and the edit summaries. I am sure this was put in to minimize the GFDL problem associated with selective deletion. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 00:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:80.141.206.236|80.141.206.236]] ([[User talk:80.141.206.236|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/80.141.206.236|contribs]]) 12:55, 24 September 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:I've copied this from my Talk page. If I get time (which might not be for while) I'll look at it myself, but there'd be little point my approaching {{User|Ted Wilkes}} about it, as his knee-jerk response to me (well, to most people) is a snap and a snarl &mdash; and that's on a good day. If the accusation proves to be correct (and Ted Wilkes has gone in for this sort of thing before), what would be the best response? --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]] 13:43, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::One last warning and then a 24 hour block, scaling upwards for each violation, would be appropriate. [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:25, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 
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::::Thanks, that explains that user somewhat, I have also requested that Theo look in on it. I still am not sure whether Ironbrew is a sock of Onlytofind. I went through the "evidence" listed on the notice [[Talk:Iglesia_ni_Cristo#Evidence_of_Onlytofind.2FIronbrew_sockpuppet]], and although they are editing the same article and one stopped soon before the other began, its not clear-cut to me. I would appreciate an admin posting the sock notices on the userpages, and not a user that is only 2 days old. [[Special:Contributions/Who|<span style="color:#000000;">&infin;</span>]][[User:Who|Who]][[User talk:Who|<span style="color:#FF0033;">?</span><span style="color:#FF00FF;">&iquest;</span><span style="color:#0033FF;">?</span>]] 21:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
:::::I would also like to point out that [[User:AypeeESME]] ('''''IP is me????''''') had a series of edits similar in view and style to Emico's. When asked about being Emico, he denied it, but was determined to be a sockpuppet of Emico's and banned by TheoClarke.--[[User:Ironbrew|Ironbrew]] 23:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::::What the... IMNOTEMICO gets an indef block. [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 02:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== [[User:Adrigo]] ==
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: Another one, just now: {{vandal|201.132.12.64}}. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 12:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::The only one I can verify as an open proxy is 68.59.156.243, which I've blocked. The others may be open proxies too, though if they're chained through non-open proxies there's often no way to tell. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 15:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::There is of course one solution, the preemptive open proxy blocker bot which scours the web for open proxies and blocks them. Act quick on this limited time offer to resurrect it: Go and gush about how wonderful it is at [[Wikipedia talk:Bots#Open_proxy_blocker]]
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Someone at this IP has three times removed a suspected sock puppet tag on the [[User:216.175.112.9|user page]], first placed there by Derex, then reverted back by Hoary, then by me. This page and the user page has been blanked in the past. Please advise. [[User:Paul Klenk|paul klenk]] [[User talk:Paul Klenk|<sup>talk</sup>]] 05:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
:Sock puppet tags are pointless and an endless source of conflict. Just leave the tag off; if the user is a sock puppet of a user that has been blocked or banned and there is concensus that they're a sock puppet the same counts for them; if the user they're a sock puppet of isn't blocked or banned, just mentally substitute the name when you're reading their signatures. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 05:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks; I'll leave it alone. [[User:Paul Klenk|paul klenk]] [[User talk:Paul Klenk|<sup>talk</sup>]] 05:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::: Does [http://www.completewhois.com/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=216.175.112.9 EarthLink] give their IPs out dynamically, statically, or something in between? [[User:Func|Func]]( [[User_talk:Func|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Func|c]], [[Special:Emailuser/Func|@]],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&user=Func &nbsp;]) 15:46, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::::The web suggests that static IPs are a premium service on earthlink. On the bright side, the user in question doesn't appear to have figured out how to change his IP yet. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 15:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== Washington, D.C. ==
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== [[Bloodsport (film)]] and commandofans ==
 
A group of editors from a message board at "commandofans.com" have recently teamed up to continuously revert a copyright violation at [[Bloodsport (film)]]. Although I've messaged all of them about this with <nowiki>{{nothanks}}</nowiki> and pointed them to the [[Talk:Bloodsport (film)|talk page]], which explains the issue, they seem dedicated to pasting re-pasting the copyvio (which is the description from the back of the DVD, also rather unencyclopedic in style) and totally non-responsive to my explanations. (On their message board they have even suggested a "war on wikis" and threatened to mail-bomb me [http://commandofans.proboards37.com/index.cgi?board=Chat&action=display&thread=1127766617]!) They have also introduced copyvio text to [[Vernon Wells]] and perhaps other related articles. So, my question is, what is the right way to deal with it? Page protection? My reverts get re-reverted in a matter of minutes, and WP:CP seems wrong because both pages have useful history. <font size=-2>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Brighterorange|<font style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #FFE7B0; background: #FFFFFF ; color: #FF9600">brighterorange</font>]] ([[User_talk:Brighterorange|talk]])</font> 17:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
:I think that the reverse of a DVD is probably fair use, being promotional material, but not when used in whole since we must use the minimum necessary. I think it would be ok to edit it down, to meet copyright and NPOV etc. I left a message to that effect on the talk page already. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 17:53, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
:Note that repeated and persistent reinsertion of copyvio material&ndash;particularly after a warning has been issued&ndash;would fall under our vandalism policy. The editors involved can be blocked and the article protected, should it become necessary. I would suggest that we can't reprint the promotional text from a DVD under fair use ''unless'' we're actually commenting on the promotional blurb itself. Speaking as an editor rather than an admin, I would have to say that we should all be ashamed and embarrassed if we're so desperate for content that we'll accept a trimmed-down box blurb as an article.... [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 19:57, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
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His problem seems to be his POV based zeal to suppress facts surrounding what Mayor Nagin's responsibilities were during Hurricane Katrina under the State of Louisiana's Evacuation Plan. Please have an admin type talk to him about his non-stop personal attacks. Thanks. --[[User:JimmyCrackedCorn|JimmyCrackedCorn]] 04:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
:That isn't a personal attack. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nagin_School_Buses&diff=prev&oldid=24134499 this] is though, so I suggest you read [[WP:NPA]]. I've left an admin type talk on your talk page just to make sure the message got across. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 04:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
::He's being deliberately obtuse. I've attempted to give him a clue. See his Talk page, please.
 
::Since Jimmy brought up his own revert warring, perhaps an admin would like to take a look at all the sockpuppets he keeps using, and at his baseless accusations of sockpuppetry against others.--'''[[{{ns:2}}:Clawson|chris.]][[User talk:Clawson|lawson]]''' 04:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
Is [[Special:Contributions/Rnations|this]] a sockpuppet of his? I'm not all that familiar with the people in the conflict, but my instincts point to yes. They've been wrong before though. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 05:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:My gut says no. No edit summaries, no accusations of sockpuppetry, no revert-warring. The M.O. isn't remotely similar, although the subject matter is. Worth keeping an eye on for now, though.--'''[[{{ns:2}}:Clawson|chris.]][[User talk:Clawson|lawson]]''' 11:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::Ok, thanks. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 14:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::[[Special:Contributions/Kirby_Morgan|This]] looks pretty suspicious, though.--'''[[{{ns:2}}:Clawson|chris.]][[User talk:Clawson|lawson]]''' 23:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
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I have just blocked [[Special:Contributions/209.91.172.131]] for 24 hours. This person has made legal threats regarding use of a name or material at the Help Desk before, and has been warned. They have just (completed) a vandalism spree e.g [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion&curid=2356700&diff=24243952&oldid=24243896] regarding the same issue. Given the message in that diff, we might need to offer them the chance to take a break in future, too. They do, however, appear to change IP address so I don't know if the block will stick. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 17:01, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
:Ooh, her again. Yeah, I'd say go for it. Maybe limit the blocks to twelve hours though, it doesn't look like she's sticking around on a single IP that long anyway. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 17:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
::She needs to go to the Foundation or something, but I can barely decipher the request she's making, to be honest, but it seems that in making it, she's adding her name(s?) to our archives! I thought about a shorter block, but this particular IP has never edited Wiki before, so there shouldn't be any collateral damage. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 17:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
:::You don't know that, you can only tell that that IP hasn't edited wikipedia without logging in before. Sometimes I wish we just published IPs along with usernames. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 17:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
::::Oooh, good point. I'll go reblock to 12 hours. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 17:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I have never had any intention of using that Romulan woman's name anywhere on Wikipedia, and now I have even less so. Why does she keep telling people not to do something that they wouldn't do anyway? It seems that '''she''' was the one who first used her name on Wikipedia, to be able to claim Wikipedia had user her name without permission. This makes her a troll. [[User:JIP|&mdash; <span style="color:#CC0000;">J</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">I</span><span style="color:#0000CC;">P</span>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 20:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
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==[[User:KennyWILLY]] and [[User:WILLOBIE]]==
*<span class="plainlinks">[[User:KennyWILLY|KennyWILLY]] ([[User talk:KennyWILLY|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/KennyWILLY|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Blockip/KennyWILLY|block]] &bull; [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Special:Log/block|page=User:KennyWILLY}} <font color="#002bb8">block log</font>])</span>
*<span class="plainlinks">[[User:WILLOBIE|WILLOBIE]] ([[User talk:WILLOBIE|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/WILLOBIE|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Blockip/WILLOBIE|block]] &bull; [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Special:Log/block|page=User:WILLOBIE}} <font color="#002bb8">block log</font>])</span>
 
I might be paranoid or something, but these two accounts were recently registered and neither of them have made an edit yet. So I am thinking of blocking them for being a suspected sock of our "friend" WILLY on WHEELS. Is my feeling warranted? [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 23:47, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
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{{User|Forsworth}} Registered today and has since been making rapid edits to the Sandbox which consist of replacing the word 'cool' with 'wow' and then vice-versa. There are many of these a minute. I blocked him for 15 minutes to try to work out why he's doing this. Does seem to be a strange thing to do. [[User:Dbiv|David]] | [[User talk:Dbiv|Talk]] 23:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
:Just give him progressively longer blocks, this clearly falls in the ''disruption'' category. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 00:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::Sounds more like "Wow, does this thing really work?" to me. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 00:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
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I've blocked [[User:Njyoder]] for 48 hours because of this edit: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=24273537&oldid=24273136]. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 00:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:Works for me. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 00:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
==[[User:Dudtz]] userpage ==
An admin want to rollback this page to get the phone number out of the history left by this anon {{vandal|152.163.100.195}}. [[Special:Contributions/Who|<span style="color:#000000;">&infin;</span>]][[User:Who|Who]][[User talk:Who|<span style="color:#FF0033;">?</span><span style="color:#FF00FF;">&iquest;</span><span style="color:#0033FF;">?</span>]] 00:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:Sorry, rollbacking does NOT remove it from the history. Thats just the one click thing... [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 01:21, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::Ah, my mistake. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/Who|<span style="color:#000000;">&infin;</span>]][[User:Who|Who]][[User talk:Who|<span style="color:#FF0033;">?</span><span style="color:#FF00FF;">&iquest;</span><span style="color:#0033FF;">?</span>]] 01:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:I have deleted the respective edit from the edit history of that page. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Francs2000&action=edit&section=new 2000] [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 01:30, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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Sadly, once Ed got the clear message that he was above the rules a few weeks back, this was bound to happen. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] | [[User talk:Filiocht|The kettle's on]] 07:57, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
[[User:64.12.116.5|64.12.116.5]], that last link of yours lists 500'''0''' items per page. It will crash or freeze some users' computers. I hope you will not mind my taking the liberty of reducing it to 100.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=000077>enceph</font>]][[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=666699>alon</font>]] 08:33, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
Ed doesn't appear to have undeleted anything[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Ed+Poor&page=] of relivance. He is so heavily outnumbered that even a highly skilled edit warriour (and Ed poor itn't) would have significant difficulty in wining through. If he starts abusing his admin powers we might start to worry. There is nothing in the rules against admins have a point of view. We would be in serious trouble if there was.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 18:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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:And the anon is wrong of course, we can simply delete the relevant revision from the page history &mdash; no developer needed. I wonder what the GFDL issues are, but I suspect they don't matter since the whole content was removed by the same editor who made it with no intervening contributions by any other user. The following and preceding articles are in no way derived from it. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 04:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:I was on RC patrol the day the anon created doyoudo. Literally saw it being created. It was immediately apparent to me that he was likely a very experienced user, and had some familiarity with WP policies. The article was pretty NPOV, the language balanced, the text wikied, the sources cited—he was careful to put in references to independent sources (eg. the patent, some magazine reports etc). None of the usual hallmarks of crude spamming. I debated whether to AfD, but decided not to because it met guidelines—and I've seen business articles with far less clear AfD. Of course, since Aaron's AfD we've seen what else he has been up to: he's placed links and bits of text about this company and the concept all over the place, even when they were quite inappropriate or only peripherally related. And the relevations on AfD and elsewhere have been quite disquieting: he was even making article edits and AfD comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DoYouDo&diff=24283761&oldid=24282152 driven] by personal financial considerations. I agree with [[User:Splash|Splash]] and [[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DoYouDo&diff=prev&oldid=24287477 that diff], and the block. Good call in my book.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=000077>enceph</font>]][[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=666699>alon</font>]] 09:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::I agree, the anon's shenanigans on the AFD page have been extremely frustrating. In either case, Encephalon, if you definitely think that the article should be deleted, can you vote on the AFD page? At 6 Keep:9 Delete right now, the case for consensus is not as clear as I'd like it to be before the debate is closed once and for all. --[[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 15:00, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:::Indeed. [[Previous question|I call for the question.]] It's been on there beyond seven days, and with the tally at 10-7 (counting both the nominator and the article's principal author), rough consensus to delete has clearly not been achieved. [[User:205.217.105.2|205.217.105.2]] 15:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
I continue to be quite taken aback at the actions of {{User|205.217.105.2}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DoYouDo&diff=24278170&oldid=24275865 AKA] {{User|24.54.208.177}}. He edited the AfD page after the above disruptive actions, ostensibly to wikify a comment. In doing so he also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DoYouDo&diff=prev&oldid=24287803 removed] a post—the one where he'd admitted that his editing and creating articles and voting on AfD were driven by commercial self-interest. This removal was done under the edit summary "wfy". There were no other contributors making edits at that time to that AfD, so it seems unlikely that some sort of edit glitch related to another user's editing caused removal of the comment, as is known to occur on occasion. The "admission" was posted one hour prior to its removal, and in the meantime [[User:24.54.208.177]] continued to work on the AfD, making 5 separate edits without any problems. I try very, very hard to always assume good faith, and I'm willing to take it on faith that this was some sort of mistake. I hope [[User:24.54.208.177]] will replace the deleted text.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=000077>enceph</font>]][[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=666699>alon</font>]] 07:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
:He (as in {{userblock|205.217.105.2}} has also inserted the DoyouDo information into the history at {{article|User:Tparker393/DoYouDo}}, which leads me to believe that Tparker393 is another sock. --07:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
::Yes, [[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]], thank you for that. However, he seems to have denied it on the AfD, claiming that they are different users who "have been working in close concert." I would like to believe that is the truth. Incidentally Calton, bless him, has gone ahead and replaced [[User|24.54.208.177]]'s deleted comments admitting to the use of Wikipedia for personal commercial gain.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=000077>enceph</font>]][[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=666699>alon</font>]] 07:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 
==George W. Bush vandalism==
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Please take a look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Manfred_Riebe?limit=500 various subpages] of [[User:Manfred_Riebe]]. Riebe has been banned on the de: Wikipedia on [[April 4]], [[2005]] and is using his "user space" here to present German-language forks of articles in the German Wikipedia (e.g. [[User:Manfred_Riebe/Theodor_Ickler]] vs. [[:de:Theodor Ickler]]) he does not agree with, essentially publishing his own little encyclopedia in German here. Other pages are attack pages on the German Wikipedia (e.g. [[User:Manfred Riebe/SPERRVERFAHREN]]), or outright propaganda ([[User:Manfred_Riebe/OSTERMARSCH 2005]]). The user has very few edits in our article space&mdash;I found only one on [[Karin Stoiber]], plus a few on [[Talk:German spelling reform of 1996]]. Obviously, he's not interested in participating here in the English Wikipedia but is just abusing our hospitality. I feel that this contradicts both [[Wikipedia:User_page]] and that [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not|Wikipedia is not]] a free web space provider. Mr. Riebe is free to publish his rants on his own web site, but they're inappropriate here. The Italian Wikipedia apparently had banned him, too, and deleted all his German pages: see [[:it:Discussioni_utente:Manfred_Riebe]] and [[:it:Discussioni Wikipedia:Politiche di blocco degli utenti#it.wiki - terra di asilo politico?]]. Comments, anyone? [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 16:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:I say delete the lot and warn him if he continues he'll be blocked; but it is probably best to get a few opinions here first in such cases, as you've wisely done. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 16:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::Well, we have [[WP:MD]]... [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 16:10, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
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::: Seems to me, though, that he should have latitude with his own user page. I will readily admit that part of why I link to my own personal web site from my user page is to publicize it, and I imagine that is true of hundreds, if not thousands, of Wikipedia users. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 22:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::He had an email to me where he seemed sincere, thus I have unblocked him and I will be watching over him closely. I know this failed with Adamwankenobi and his promising to be good, but we can still try this. [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 23:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
:::That's part of his pattern, but ok if you're willing to watch him closely enough. If you follow his contributions more closely it would have been obvious why I could no longer assume good faith with him. Not sure why you'd want to waste more of yours and other's time giving him yet another chance though. He is going to continue to find ways to exploit Wikipedia, and I still haven't had a chance to see if his recent contributions are copyvios like his previous ones have been. There is a difference in how long standing positive contributors should be treated vs repeat offenders. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</small></sup> 23:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 
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:I feel the problem is you have acted in such an irresponsible and actively unhelpful manner in promoting your site at all costs that you now give up the right to link to it. There were many straighforward conversations, you simply ignored all of them. You had many many chances to have let this end in a better way, but you chose again and again to waste everyone's time instead. As for contributions, if you take too much material that is not fact from a single text it is still a copyright violation. This has also been explained a number of times to you. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</small></sup> 12:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
It would be irresponsible of me to unblock someone and not watch over them, and so watch over them I will. NO linking to ON, not even on your user page. Kthxbai [[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">R</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Redwolf24|<font color="darkblue">dwolf24</font>]] ([[User talk:Redwolf24|talk]]) 14:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:That sounds good. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:45, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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::::''''J.O.K.E.'''' OK, I missed that -I must have been too logical, like [[Mr. Spock]], lol. '''"Your Editcountitis bit is odd since your data shows that people with far less edits than rejected candidates can get through..."''' You miss the point about how I have only edited 200 or so pages, and have about 11.7 edits per page; '''''That''''' is what I mean: People criticize an editor if he or she has "concentrated" on a few pages, but that does not make one a bad editor: 200 is still quite a large number, even if it is not as much as some people have edited (some people have edited around a '''thousand''' pages -wow -get a life people!)--[[User:GordonWatts|GordonWatts]] 13:15, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
:::::I was going to avoid commenting on this whole sordid affair, but I can't let this pass. Get a life? You're doing yourself no favors here. [[User:Android79|<span style="color:green;">android</span>]][[User talk:Android79|<span style="color:purple;">79</span>]] 13:27, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
::::::'''"Get a life? You're doing yourself no favors here."'''<font color=000099>I am actually quite busy cleaning my room, looking for a job, but also trying to help people get straight on some lingering Wikipedia abuses; No, Wikipedia is not evil, but it have major problems, but I think my advice to them "super-editors" (get a life) is good advice for me too; Thx for weighing in; I hope to take your advice.--[[User:GordonWatts|GordonWatts]] 14:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)</font>
 
:::::Doing the stuff admins powers are useful in helping in will as a matter of course mean that you edit a large number of pages rather than sticking around on a relitivly small number. We hve no use for more paper admins.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 14:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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==[[User:Anittas]]==
I wasn't going to bring this up here (or anywhere), but it might be worth forewarning people. I corrected some edits made by {{User|Anittas}}, and copy-edited an article that (it turned out) he though that he owned ([[Battle of Vaslui]]). He reacted extremely aggressively and insultingly ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAnittas&diff=23306543&oldid=23303126]), and reverted my edits wholesale([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Vaslui&diff=23380997&oldid=23364581]). So far, so depressingly familiar. He's also gone on to try to enlist other editors and admins against my appalling behaviour in editing his articles (e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATaniwha&diff=23653965&oldid=23541096]),with little success, and then went in for a bit of stalking, leaving messages full of hysterical vitriol against me for editors with whom I was in disagreement (e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABryan_Adams&diff=23688453&oldid=23666519], etc. He's been trawling through edit histories, trying to find anyone with whom I've been in disagreement (mostly banned vandals such as {{user|Enviroknot}} and his sockpuppets), and leaving messages on their Talk pages trying to enlist their help against me. A number of editors have tried to reason with him, but to no avail. At the moment he's just a nuisance, even mildly amusing, but it might escalate, so I'm explaining here in advance. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]] 21:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:Where I come from being called a "nihilistic snob" is quite a compliment and [[User_talk:FeloniousMonk#About_Mel|his confusion]] over your rouge admin status bordered on vaudevillian... Or is it vaude-villain? [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 23:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
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== Sollog ==
 
Could someone remind me, is sollog banned or not? --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 01:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:If you're referring to [[User:Sollog Fan]], he's pretty blatently a troll/impostor of [[User:Sollogfan]]. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 03:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
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::I've blocked him indefinitely. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]]<big>[[User talk:MarkSweep|&#x270D;]]</big> 04:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 04:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:I think anybody who has relations to sollog is banned for vandalising Wikipedia... not sure if it's written anywhere but that's my general impression. '''[[User:Sasquatch|<font color=#89CF19>Sasquatch</font>]]'''<span style="background-color:#C1FF5F">[[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]]</span> 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::That might be a bit too radical, but I certainly don't see any problems with considering sollog and those who can reasonably be assumed to be sollog banned, which in effect is pretty close to that. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 04:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, pretty much if a user has "Sollog" as his/her name and likes to edit the Sollog article... you should watch them very very carefully... '''[[User:Sasquatch|<font color=#89CF19>Sasquatch</font>]]'''<span style="background-color:#C1FF5F">[[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]]</span> 02:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 
How can it be Sollog? Isn't he in jail? [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 04:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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:The Road Less Traveled Theatre, Inc.
 
Any thoughts/advice? --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]] 17:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:He's perfectly able to use a variant of it, I see no reason why he has to use that particular name. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 17:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
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::Registering as your exact real name helps increase your credibility on the wiki. It is one of the primary reasons why account renames are performed. I'm thinking about moving to my real name someday. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:sans-serif;">[[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]]</span><sup style="font-family:serif;">([[User talk:Ambush Commander|Talk]])</sup> 20:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
I thought the same as Golbez (I also wondered why a vandal chose to use this person's name...). Anyway, Curps has suggested that I ask a bureacrat to perform a bit of technical wizardry that only a bureaucrat can, and that's what I've done. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]] 22:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 
==[[Homosexuality in Singapore]]==
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==[[User:Joseph108]] on [[Vishwa Nirmala Dharma]]==
Would anybody care to step in? Joseph108 keeps removing sections from the article without so much as an edit summary. I have left a couple notes on his [[User_talk:Joseph108|talk page]] which have gone unanswered so far. I have already used up my three reverts, so any help would be appreciated -- [[User:Ferkelparade|Ferkelparade]] [[User_talk:Ferkelparade|&pi;]] 10:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
:On it, though I'm out of here in 5 minutes. But let's see if a word from someone else has helped. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 10:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 
==AOL IP Ranges==
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:Correct me if I am mistaken in my understanding of AOL's network architecture.... :I'd love to be able to block certain IP ranges from anonymous editing; that would solve both problems. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 14:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::This may not be popular, but what I'd like to see is a block of all the AOL proxies with instructions on how to disable proxies in your browser. For the few people still using the AOL branded browser which allegedly forces you to use the proxies, either find some technical fix or educate them on how to use a different browser. It might deviate a little from the basic anyone anywhere anytime can edit, but it would at least force vandals to redial/re-dhcp/repptp/whatever and put a serious dent in AOL's unblockability. If they have any sensible IP assignment structure it might even be possible to block certain vandals by area, at least for the DSL customers, meaning they really have to find a different ISP or open proxy to continue vandalising. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 14:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::whenever I use AOL I go through firefox. My IP still changes a lot. The only way people could stop this from happening is to change provider.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 14:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
::::Are you sure you're not editing through a proxy? I haven't actually used AOL dialup, but my experiences with other people using it suggest they do assign you a routable IP address and don't use transparant proxies. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 00:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::I really like TenOfTrade's suggestion, that we allow AOL editors, but they may not edit anonymously. Is that even possible in MediaWiki? --[[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 15:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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::As far as I know, the policy is to block (not ban!) people doing things like this indefinitely. --<span style="color:red">[[User:Phroziac|Phroziac]]<b> <sup>([[User talk:Phroziac|talk]])</sup></b></span> 01:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
:::After asking on IRC, this was confirmed as true, and I have blocked the user. --<span style="color:red">[[User:Phroziac|Phroziac]]<b> <sup>([[User talk:Phroziac|talk]])</sup></b></span> 01:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::::Good call, for what it's worth I agree with this block entirely. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 01:25, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::::: Hehe, he's got to be kidding about the Attorney General of Florida, right? After reading the article and his rantings on the talk page, I refuse to believe anyone would take him seriously. Um, this laywer of his...is he from '''the future'''? ;-) [[User:Func|Func]]( [[User_talk:Func|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Func|c]], [[Special:Emailuser/Func|@]],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&user=Func &nbsp;]) 01:35, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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::::::::I'm sorry, but you nor jack get to choose to have a non-community-supported version of an article, no matter what your motivations are. Note jack is currently blocked (by me, and I have yet to receive a single piece of mail from him. Some people have all the luck). --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 21:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::::::::Giving up is no fun. I'll block him. Keep us posted if another one pops up. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 21:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
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==[[Rattlesnake Island]]==
This valid stub seems to have had a load of tinfoilhat stuff added to it - and then what appears to be a request from a lawyer demanding deletion, stating that the garbage was added from a IP in his client's office and his cliant has been getting legal threats. I've reverted to the stub - and suspect the letter may be bogus, but perhaps others should check it out. The version before my revert is here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rattlesnake_Island&oldid=24107138] --[[User:Doc glasgow|Doc]] [[User talk:Doc glasgow|(?)]] 21:49, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
:Lawyers generally don't send cease&desists by editing articles, just ignore it. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><span style="color:green;">*</span></SMALL>]] 21:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
:Yup, that's probably right. --[[User:Doc glasgow|Doc]] [[User talk:Doc glasgow|(?)]] 21:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
:I'd be careful about this: the law firm exists and Jeffrey J. Weber apparently does work there. His e-mail address is available on [http://www.porterwright.com/attorneys/ their website] if anyone wants to contact him to confirm that he made the edit in question and, if he did, to tell him [[wikimedia:Contact us|where]] to send his notices. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles&nbsp;P.]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;<small>(Mirv)</small>]] 02:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)