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Kyaw Myint (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article probably describes a person who does not exist, and is a composite of several sources. Four sources are cited in the article, each referring to a different person.

1. Source 1 is an article about U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank. The article also mentions U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd, but this is not reflected in the Wikipedia article.
2. Source 2 introduces U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry 1. He is not related to U Kyaw Win or U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd.
3. Sources 3 and 4 present "Pansay" Kyaw Myint, a Namkham militia leader and elected Member of Parliament. He is not related to any of the individuals described in sources 1 and 2. Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 08:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I have corrected the prose (now really fixed: Special:Diff/1247585806/1247587904).—Alalch E. 15:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank is the Kyaw Win discussed in the last paragraph of Chinese people in Myanmar § Commerce and industry. This is not an article about this individual. This article is titled "Kyaw Myint" and has been about Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry, from the beginning. Information about Kyaw Win was erroneously added to the article in Special:Diff/307034345. There is a revision with content only about Kyaw Win, in Special:PermanentLink/1247585806. There are various sources about Kyaw Win, who is sometimes called "May Flower" Kyaw Win to differentiate him from other people named Kyaw Win (an example of another Kyaw Win: Kyaw Win).—Alalch E. 00:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry is the subject of this article. He does not appear to meet WP:N. As of my writing this comment, the article correctly covers only him.
  3. The "Pansay" Kyaw Myint is indeed a third person. Information about him was added in Special:Diff/600987091. I have not yet looked into his notability.

  —Alalch E. 00:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete Right now, the one source about Kyaw Myint, the politician, is not WP:Independent as its an interview with him. Additionally, the article is from 2004 so I doubt he is still currently in the same political position given 3 different administrations have changed in between. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 13:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klea pineda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Recreation of salted title at Klea Pineda, which was deleted at this AfD back in 2015. Subject does not seem to be notable enough for a standalone article, and clearly fails WP:GNG. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: she's in the recurring/supporting cast of various (post 2015 (ie post 1st AfD)) notable programmes, so that she meets WP:NACTOR and deletion is not necessary in my opinion. But obviously renaming the page without the (voluntary?) typo is necessary. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 16:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Nine years after the original AFD, she already enough acting credits to merit her own article (and I can confirm these are not simple bit roles, having watched some of them). Most of the sources now cited in the article are from reputable and notable Philippine news organizations. So this time this article can be a keep. --- Tito Pao (talk) 13:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Page creator here, Klea Pineda has grown so much since she started, that she should receive her own Wikipedia page. She is a competition show winner, starred in multiple TV series, even headlining in some and she has been making in showbiz news for the right reasons. If certain improvements must be done in her page just to keep it, then I would need the help to polish up the page (including fixing the typo, I wasn't sure I could've created it if I spelled it correctly because of the page's history) and make it as good as all the Wikipedia pages of her fellow Pinoy celebrities, so that it may showcase more people to Klea and her talents. Ethanco924 (talk) 00:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep and rename as Klea Pineda: Per reasons above. She has been bagging main roles since Magkaagaw. And all the sources, except for her profile, are reliable. Though the said target should be unsalted for the sake of naming conventions, the article is good enough to pass WP:NACTOR. ASTIG😎🙃 07:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kay-Anlog, Calamba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability WP:GEOLAND, Barangays are not considered being notable. Please see here the similar deletion (which is converted the redirect), for more details. TentingZones1 (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. HueMan1 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Some other deletion discussions mostly were kept. This article is in good shape and has a lot of information, hence keep. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: When becomes as a redirect, Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays. Makes it some knowledge about this barangay. Soft deletion if not redirected, resulting the article links were comes in various articles, which is problematic due of lack of sources. When the vote changed in keep, unless the reliable sources and information are available for this article. TentingZones1 (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of storms named Hugo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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PROD undone by author. WP:NLIST not met here. Did a search and could only find Hurricane Hugo as the main topic. Although it is a WP:SETINDEX, it is still required to meet the notability requirements of a WP:STANDALONE. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as author. Harmless storm index article. It seems that the nominator isn't at all familiar with these types of pages (and I've created numerous SIA's). The name Hugo has been used in more than one basin, so the name perfectly qualifies for a storm index article; and there's a strong possibility that it gets re-used in the future since it has been included in the list of names for the 2024–25 European windstorm season. No valid reasons for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep SIAs don't have to be a notable topic themselves but may be a list of topics that are notable on their own.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:ONEOTHER - the 1989 hurricane is very obviously the primary topic. Hatnotes linking the two pages should do the job. JavaHurricane 18:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, I'm aware of WP:SETNOTDAB, and it doesn't change my view: where a SIA consists of only two entities, where one is clearly the primary topic (and in this case, the other entity, the 2018 windstorm, doesn't even have its own article), hatnotes are a more efficient method of handling the situation than a full-fledged list. And as for Yoris's argument, WP:CRYSTAL applies - future systems sharing the name can be handled at the time they actually happen.

  On a side note, I'm interested in knowing why a SIA about systems of the same name is not, in practice, a disambiguation page. JavaHurricane 19:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support hatnotes if it weren't common practice to create a storm index with only two entries. See Category:Set index articles on storms, which is filled with lists containing only two entries (e.g. List of storms named Andrew, List of storms named Beta, List of storms named Evelyn, etc.), so for consistency's sake this one should be kept as well. And I hate making a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but I just couldn't avoid it. Also, I don't think the winter storm is relevant enough for mentioning at the Hurricane Hugo article (not even as a hatnote), since hurricanes and winter storms are completely different weather systems, and it would be odd for someone to confuse them both. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the latter point there also exist counterexamples - such as 1935 Labor Day hurricane's hatnote. Don't think it is even that odd to confuse tropical and non-tropical cyclones - the term "storm" can be quite ambiguous for an uninitiated reader. On the former point, I repeat my previous question. JavaHurricane 12:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's likely because the 1935 hurricane is unnamed (i.e. has no official name), and was named "Labor Day" because it made landfall on that exact date. However, I see no counterexamples for storms that have official names, at least none that I could find. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: per javahurrincae Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Cyclone Yoris and Noah - don’t see any valid reasons for deletion. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there are three topics in the SIA. Tavantius (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maika Ceres (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article is written from unreliable, non-independent, or self-published sources like blogs, social media, press releases, etc. Not clear the subject passes WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blagica Pop Tomova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article is based entirely on the website of the subject's employer. Not clear that the topic passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irina Mataeva (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article is written like a resume and based on sources connected to the subject. Not clear the article passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Userfy. We need more research. Right now, the article is in pretty bad shape. However, if she does have this wide range of repertoire, and she has toured and performed in multiple cities with important companies, and she had a role of the protagonist’s love interest of Tatyana in Eugene Onegin, and we can find sources that document all of it, then she is notable per WP:MUSICBIO. That’s a lot of work. Bearian (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearian I would support moving it to user or draft space if someone wants to work on it and needs time to source the article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Not sure if I can do it, due to being busy IRL. Bearian (talk) 18:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arcline Investment Management (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Refs are routine business news. scope_creep^Talk 12:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I created the article after learning of the Omega Engineering incident, which was a notable computer sabotage attack in American history. Arcline has been acquiring companies, like Omega Engineering, and I simply wanted to create the article for the parent company. Note: At least 3 companies have Wikipedia articles that link to the parent company, Arcline. These companies also have subsidiaries which could make use of the Arcline article as a focal point. More can be added to the article but, nevertheless, I leave it in your competent hands. Usedbook (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy Dennehy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable amateur sports person. In terms of WP:SPORTBASIC, the only coverage I can find is the stuff that I've added to the article. Most of which is not independent (like "listings" on personnel sheets of orgs with which the subject has a connection like these: [1][2][3]; Which, even if they were independent, are far from in-depth coverage). Or ROTM "match report" type passing mentions (like these: [4] [5]). In terms of WP:GNG, we barely have enough sources to establish even the sub-stub that we have. And certainly insufficient sources to expand any biographical information (DOB, place of birth, education, etc). A search in Irish news sources returns little to nothing. In the Irish Independent family of regional/national papers for example, all I can find are these two trivial passing mentions. Similar searches, in news sources like the Irish Examiner or Irish Times or RTE.ie, return nothing at all. Nothing. Not even trivial passing mentions. Notability is not established. Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. I know nothing about how significant American football is in Ireland. That said, being one of the initial inductees into the Hall of Fame for American football in Ireland suggests he was at a minimum a pretty big frog in a little pond. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Symbhav (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails the WP:NEVENTS, a particular annual event of a law college Pinakpani (talk) 09:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. 4 sources and all are poor. Source 1 has no coverage or even passing mention about the subject. Source 2 is deadlink. Source 3 has entry and Source 4 is a deadlink. No sources on the page with significant coverage to pass notability and this page also seems like promotion of an event held by law school students in Pune India. WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

C. K. Durga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Promotion with "sources" like X or Facebook; I doubt the page meets GNG and BIO requirements. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Question: Is winning an Nari Shakti Puraskar award enough for WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC? I don't see any WP:SIGCOV for this subject but she appears to have a significant academic track record, for which she won the aforementioned award.

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S. J. Dahlstrom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable writer, doesn't pass WP ANYbio and other guidelines. J. P. Fridrich (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. I created the article because I believe the subject passes WP:NAUTHOR due to the awards. Also worth saying is that the nominator of this discussion only had 11 edits before nominating this article, all of them made on a single day in 2022. Badbluebus (talk) 16:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sherman Dam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I failed to find SIGCOV for the Sherman Dam besides this one newspaper article from 1963. Otherwise, all mentions appear to be trivial in nature, indicating it fails GNG and WP:NBUILD. Perhaps others will have more luck. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Like many dam articles including some at List of dams and reservoirs in Nebraska, the article also covers its reservoir, and the full entity is certainly notable as both infrastructure and a recreation site. Sources include [9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19] Reywas92^Talk 13:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It seems like you are just randomly posting anything with the name appearing in it. If that were enough, almost everything would have a Wiki article. We are talking about reliable and significant coverage from secondary sources, not literally any Google hit. I can't really check the newspaper ones to see if those are major though. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please don't insult my ability to review sources, especially if you didn't even review them all. Several of these are in fact substantial coverage adequate for creating an article , and you can sign up for newspapers.com access through Wikipedia:Library. The site seems to be buggy now so it's not letting me create clippings. Indeed, major physical features like resevoirs and infrastructure like dams, especially those that feature state recreation areas, typically have Wiki articles, and this one is notable. Reywas92^Talk 21:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Here are clippings for the Newspapers.com links: 1 (cont.), 9 (cont.), 10, 11. (It's still possible to make clippings through the library but not easy to set up; the process is detailed in the comments here.) – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Seems to me that the reservoir may be more notable than the dam itself which mostly gets mentioned in passing. I'd be fine with withdrawing if the article is moved to Sherman Reservoir instead. The dam can be retained as a redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the sources identified by @Reywas92 are a mixed bag, but the U of Nebraska museum article and the Foxnebraska article are both significant coverage. Per WP:GEOLAND dams can be notable with significant independent coverage, and as Reywas92 says the article includes the reservoir which doesn't have its own article. Oblivy (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hana Jonášová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete does not seem to pass the notability criteria. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to her mother Jana Jonášová per WP:NOTINHERITED if sources can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flash Element TD (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LONGi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Duplicate of LONGi Green Energy Technology Amigao (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge and redirect: Two article instances which have developed in parallel over the years. There is additional information in this one which can be merged, and then a redirect can simplify while maintaining the history attribution. AllyD (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I have added Merge from/to tags to the two articles, so that the proposal is visible to readers of both articles. AllyD (talk) 14:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A merge seems both technically simple and unlikely to be controversial, though if I had to pick a title I'd actually do LONGi Green Energy Technology into LONGi, since the latter title seems sufficient to uniquely identify the subject. Would anyone object to doing this reverse merge, so that LONGi is the final title, and additionally doing so immediately and closing this discussion? Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A reverse merge, as you propose, seems like a good course of action. - Amigao (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U-12 European Baseball Championship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Just a results listing with only sources being primary. Fails GNG and WP:SPORTSEVENT. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, complete trivia. Geschichte (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails GNG . --181.197.42.150 (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:News article, I'm unable to find WP:SUSTAINED coverage Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to either the place it occurred Pobe-Mengao Department in a history section or Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso#2019. The place is a better target imo but a mention should be added to the other PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz I prefer Pobe-Mengao Department as a merge target. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hadiseh Jamal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, her achievements (even if they are correct) are in youth level. she never won anything in a major event. the article tries to sell her as a world and Asian senior medalist. Sports2021 (talk) 03:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Only success has come in junior events. According to the WKF records, she has competed in 9 events as an adult and never medaled. As an adult she has never qualified for a continental or world championship and is currently ranked #90. I found no significant independent coverage, mainly reports of Iranian youth team results. Doesn't meet any WP notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep In karate, unlike many other sports, there is no significant difference between the youth (under-21) and adult competitions in terms of credibility and status. In fact, both the youth and adult categories are evaluated at the same level, and there is no distinction in the value and importance of their achievements. This is often misunderstood by those who lack sufficient expertise in this sport. Many uninformed individuals, including some media outlets, may assume that youth competitions are less important than adult competitions. However, the reality is that youth competitions in karate are held with the same level of difficulty and seriousness, and the medals earned in both categories hold equal credibility and value.Particularly in prestigious continental events like the Asian Championships, which are overseen by the World Karate Federation (WKF), the medals are recognized as global successes. The quality of these competitions does not differ from that of adult competitions, and in many cases, athletes who achieve medals in the youth category quickly find remarkable success at the international adult level as well.This misunderstanding regarding the differences between age categories leads some individuals to fail to recognize the valuable achievements of athletes. However, from the perspective of experts and those who are deeply familiar with the structure of karate, such successes, even in the youth category, are by no means less significant than those in the adult category.Please advise users who lack sufficient knowledge about this sport not to remove templates or edit the article, as doing so only harms the integrity of information, such as that found on Wikipedia in English, and spreads misinformation about karate. Maintaining accuracy and reliability in the discourse surrounding this sport is essential.InfoExplorer2023 (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Completely fails sports notability. Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The issue of deleting certain sports articles, particularly regarding karate, requires careful and in-depth consideration. In this discipline, competitions and medals directly reflect the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. Karate, as a martial art, demands advanced techniques and high concentration, which can only be achieved through continuous practice and competition at the adult level.In karate, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are held in a professional and competitive manner. Winning a medal in Asian competitions, regardless of age, demonstrates the high abilities and skills of this athlete at an international level.Deleting these articles is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable from the perspective of the documentation and credibility of Wikipedia's sources. These articles can remain as reliable references in the field of karate and contribute to documenting the history and achievements of athletes.Therefore, based on my expertise in Wikipedia and the sport of karate, I firmly state that this article should be preserved to enhance the recognition of karate athletes' achievements and to document the history of this sport within Wikipedia.BookLover070 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parsa Mohammadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, never even participated in a major event let alone winning something. he never won that medal mentioned in the article. Sports2021 (talk) 03:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Still another junior karateka with no success as an adult. The silver medal it shows for him at the Asian championships was in a cadet division (clear because the weight division given isn't used for adults and because he was only 15). The WKF database shows he won two fights to win the silver. He has never competed in a European or world championship as an adult. In fact, the WKF doesn't show him competing in any event as an adult yet. The sources are all from state media reporting on team results. No WP notability criteria are met. Papaursa (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I would like to provide some explanations regarding the proposal to delete this article, which may offer a different perspective on the issue. In karate, competitions and medals are directly related to the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. In this sport, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are highly competitive and professional.As a martial art, karate requires a high level of technique and focus, which can only be achieved through continuous training and competition at the adult level. In fact, karate practitioners compete with adults from the very beginning, and competitions are held in a professional and rigorous manner. The fact that the silver medal won at the Asian Championships for this athlete, regardless of age, reflects their high skill level and abilities on an international scale.Furthermore, deleting this article is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. This article should remain as a credible reference in the field of karate, as every sport requires documentation and resources that help showcase the history and achievements of its athletes.Ultimately, considering these points, deleting the article is not only a mistake but also results in the loss of an important part of the history and achievements of this athlete. The article should remain to aid in documenting and legitimizing this athlete’s contributions in the future.BookLover070 (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2028 Northern Territory general election (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Article only has one source, and it does not say anything about the election in 2028. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Thought about a redirect but I really couldn't find a suitable target. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  redirect to Northern Territory Legislative Assembly maybe? otherwise yeah delete Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Next Northern Territory general election. No point in deleting the page when it will only need to be remade again. Viatori (talk) 08:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Deleting an article does not prevent it from being recreated when more sources emerge. Having to be remade again is a given and is not a reason against deletion. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Next Northern Territory general election or keep, for the same reasons as Viatori. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Neutral on keeping the article, but just wanted to say that the suggestions of moving it to Next Northern Territory general election are misplaced. "Next" is used in election article titles when the date of the next election is uncertain. However, Northern Territory has fixed-term parliaments and the next election must take place in 2028, so the current title is correct. Number 57 01:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Keep since the previous election cycle is over and there is now verifiable information about the next. In terms of naming, the 2008 Northern Territory general election indicates that elections can be called early? Has something changed on a constitutional level? -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete TOOSOON and page recreation in 2027 when it's appropriate is not that hard. Nate • (chatter) 16:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isabelle Poulenard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2019. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Donald MacMillan (rugby union) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No sources, and seems to have no real notability. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Known as "Ian" rather than Donald, which may assist your searches. Plenty of coverage on Trove and I've added some of them to the page. Got more results for the typo "Mc"Millan.[20] Jevansen (talk) 23:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. Was not aware of this. Jevansen (talk) Jevansen (talk) 07:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Per the new sources add, meets NSPORT. GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alireza Hashemzadeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, most probably everything in this article is fake. he never won a gold medal at the Asian Games or 2019 Asian Senior Championships! he never participated in any major event. Sports2021 (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete He did not compete at the 2018 Asian Games, so that claim is false. The WKF database shows he is a registered competitor, but they show no record of him competing at any of their events. There are over 350 ranked competitors in his division, but he is not listed. The sources don't show WP notability or, in the case of his supposed Asian Games championship, what they're claimed to show. There is a source showing he won a bronze medal at the "2nd World Goju Karate Championship" in 2013 (he'd have been 17 or 18). The host South Africans won 21 of the 55 gold medals. His age, the medal distribution, and the fact that many of the divisions didn't even have enough competitors to give out all 4 medals all seem to point to this being a relatively minor event. I don't believe the coverage meets WP:GNG as it consists of lots of congratulatory reporting on results and celebrations over success at minor events. No evidence that any WP notability criteria is met. Papaursa (talk) 16:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Arsalan Heidarzad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, never did anything important in his career. completely unknown. Sports2021 (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete All of his successes were as a pre-teen or teenager, which doesn't show WP notability. He never competed at any European or world championships, either in a youth or adult division. As an adult he never finished in the top 10 of any WKF sanctioned tournament and lost more fights than he won. The sources merely report results and mistakenly refer to the Karate 1 series of events as "world championships" instead of relatively minor events. Papaursa (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benares brass (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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"Benares brass" isn't a thing; it's just brass items made/sold in Varanasi. Just like there isn't a page for "Benares trinkets", there doesn't need to be one for Benares brass. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Contested PROD (I opposed it).

I would agree that 'Benares brass' isn't a thing. At least, not in the metallurgical sense, as a particular brass alloy. I may be wrong - place-specific alloys do sometimes turn up, owing to oddities of local material supply.

But I'm not convinced that 'brass and brasswork of Benares' isn't a thing, just based on the sources already attached to the article. Is brass manufacture a significant and distinctive industry specific to Benares? Now that's certainly a thing, and there are many such locations where particular forms of metalworking are both distinct (the place is significant to the craft of brassworking) and locally economically important (brass working is significant to the place). On my own doorstep, an article on 17th to 19th century brassworking around Bristol and the Avon valley would be very welcome. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with Varanasi: Borderline notable at best, and would be much more suitable as part of the city's article per WP:NOPAGE, similar to how Moradabad does not have a separate page for its highly recognized brass industry. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomasz Krezymon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable musician and professor fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:MUSICIAN. This article is one of a series of promotional articles (a walled garden of sorts) surrounding the so-called Empathism "movement" and the poet Menotti Lerro (who "invented" Empathism and wrote it's manifesto), and the "award" given to the people who adhere to Empathism. Other articles of questionable notability are the other "members" as well as Lerro's Cilento International Poetry Prize and others. Two SPA's are creating numerous articles that all connect back to Lerro (hence the "walled garden"), whose article on Italian Wikipedia has been deleted for lack of notability. The whole group of articles are WP:PROMO. Netherzone (talk) 01:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Not all musicians are notable, no indication he meets NBIO and such. Not notable as written

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• Delete. As per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil women's national under-18 softball team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject lacks the needed coverage from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:NORG/WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – There is no Brazil women's under-18 team, only under-20 and under-17. Svartner (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dale Wood (William Lawrence Hansen) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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There are no secondary sources that provide information about this person; the entire article is based on primary sources and the article itself admits that little is known outside of government copyright documentation. As a result of the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, the subject of the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. As Bill Hansen, he is in the credits as an editor for a variety of television programs and related media that may become Wikipedia articles in the future. Most of all, he has composed music with a variety of notable composers. The other references can likely be found, as requested in the first banner. UPDATE: I have improved the article in terms of references and content. (9/28/24) Starlighsky

Future notability is not a consideration at AfD. And his notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from other composers he may have worked with, or from projects he may have worked on that may (or more likely may not) be notable. What we need is reliable, secondary sources. Can you provide those?? Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best to find those. Starlighsky (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an abundance of information on ASCAP of his music as well as who performed his music. However, it is challenging to understand.

ACE Repertory (ascap.com) Starlighsky (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is a primary source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. In 2024, everyone knows that we don’t have biographies on every single person who ever lived and worked in the movies or on TV. We are not, nor ever been, a directory of everyone in “The Business” like ASCAP or IMDB. I hope everyone understands why we strive to be more reliable. This page has to be deleted because there’s not enough information about the person, other than a bare minimum of what he edited. According to our policy: “Biography articles should only be created for people with some sort of verifiable notability. A good measure of notability is whether someone has been featured in multiple, independent, reliable sources.” Sorry. Bearian (talk) 10:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I do want to add that it is the biography of an editor who went by a pseudonym to write music with notable songwriters.  Starlighsky (talk) 23:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The more I research this, the more it seems like the television and film projects could be valuable resources for the Wikipedia community:

  As William Lawrence Hansen:

  Al Jolson's Old-Time Minstrel Show 1952

  William Lawrence Hansen

  (Compilation: songs and text)

  BMI Television Sketchbook Sketches (1951)

  William Lawrence Hansen

  & Henry M. Katzberg

  19 Celebrated Baritone Solos (1950)

  William Lawrence Hansen

  (Compilation)

  Songs from the film Bambi (1951)

  Edited by Bill Hansen Starlighsky (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added in the article's talk page brief questions about how or if I cite certain references. Starlighsky (talk) 01:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Going to do a quick assessment of the sources currently in the article, including recent additions by Starlighsky.

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
ASCAP Biographical Dictionary of Composers, Authors and Publishers (not linked but I found it at https://archive.org/details/ascapbiographica00ameri/mode/2up?q=hansen)			A single-paragraph thumbnail biographical sketch in a nearly 600-page biographical directory. Reliable for factual details but does not contribute to WP:GNG.	✘ No
https://archive.org/details/musicalakasassum0000dron/page/164/mode/2up?q=hansen			A single line that confirms Dale Wood is a pseudonym for Bill Hansen but says nothing more.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/search/results/?iid=3825&keyword=(Dreaming+of+My)+Indiana+Sweetheart	?	?	? It's a list of 200,000+ search results, no idea what is being linked here	? Unknown
https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt3m3nf1xs/	?	?	A reference guide to a primary source collection. Wood/Hansen does not come up in searches	✘ No
https://search.worldcat.org/title/498933149; https://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/i/indiana2.html; numerous references to U.S. copyright filings	A set of references to primary sources (Hansen's songs and their copyright filings) that are ineligible to contribute to notability.			✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

All in all, we have no WP:SIGCOV qualifying toward WP:GNG. None of his songs appear notable either so we have no pass on WP:NMUSIC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can clarify references. The newspaper citation was a list of newspaper mentioning the song "Dreaming of My Girl in Indiana", which was a song that had extensive press coverage when it was released. That song is notable. I will keep working on it. Starlighsky (talk) 02:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yang Song-guk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's [North Korean] newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. GiantSnowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Please provide a review of sources, if they don't provide notability, then perhaps draftification is the more realistic closure.
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Kim Jong-min (footballer, born 1947) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep - played at the Olympics and managed the national team, clearly notable - needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Improve per GiantSnowman. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Reminding participants that WP:GNG has not been addressed.
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• Keep and improve as per above

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• Keep: as per GiantSnowman. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per GiantSnowman has played in the Olympics and managed the national team.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Clear consensus to Keep but it's not clear that sources verify content and establish GNG. This is the second relisting comment on this subject so if they do, please state that rather than give a "per" statement.
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• Delete: I'm failing to see the notability here. The references provided are just profiles and clearly doesn't have any SIGCOV. I'm not convinced of the established notability comment per GiantSnowman. Taking part in Olympics doesn't warranty any notability, if there aren't any sources backing it up. My search results also turned out nil and clearly no SIGCOV or GNG met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After reading through BF11's comment, it's evidence some notability might be present in the North Korean sources. I'm okay with a draftify too. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This is clearly one of the examples were requiring strict SIGCOV compliance is patently absurd. Where on earth are we supposed to go to find North Korean newspaper archives? I can only note that in a scene in the film The Game of Their Lives (regarding the 1966 North Korean team), one North Korean player showed a book full of newspaper headlines for the top players with the national team – so it is obvious that the sport was very well-covered at the time and I don't see why a few years later would have been any different. Another way to notability would be WP:ANYBIO if Kim received any of the top honors in North Korea, which would be either Merited Athlete or People's Athlete. Looking up his name (김정민) in relation to the title Merited Athlete (공훈체육인) I get results including a piece from the Minju Choson stating in the preview "화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민，량은향 로동자부부 ... 공훈체육인칭호가 수여되였다． 로력훈장이 1명에게，국기훈장 제2급이 18명 . [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, were awarded the title of Meritorious Sportsman.]" – I have a strong feeling this was him (esp. given that we have no other North Korean 'Kim Jong-min's) but I receive warning messages when entering the site so I can't look further. Searching his name in relation to the 'Mangyondae District Waterworks Management Office' ("입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소" "김정민") brings up another piece from the Rodong Sinmun further discussing 'Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang' ("화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민, 량은향 로동자부부는 현대적인 살림집을 받아안고보니 우리 원수님의 은덕이 너무도 크고 ... [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, received a modern house and realized that the grace of our Marshal was so great...]") but likewise I cannot access it further. IMO I'd like to keep this given how accomplished he is and how ridiculous it is to find North Korean newspaper sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify: I agree with BeanieFan11's argument - proving WP:GNG for a North Korean would be extremely difficult. At the same time, the article gives very little information about the subject and needs improving. It makes sense to draftify and find sources to add to it so that it can be more useful to readers.DesiMoore (talk) 16:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd support that outcome and would expand it when I get the chance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CPC and World Political Parties Summit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This one-off video conference fails WP:EVENTCRITERIA. No WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and no indication of WP:LASTING effect whatsoever. Amigao (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The ideas of "No continued coverage" or "no lasting effect" is readily shown to be wrong by the second source, a 2023 academic book discussing the topic over multiple pages. In addition, we currently have multi-language coverage. "Video conference" should not suggest unimportance given the scope and period - event included 500 political parties and 10,000 individual representatives and was conducted in 2021 when China was still quite protective on COVID19 matters. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I'm not sure how notable the book source cited is, as it's not an online reference. I can bring up news coverage of the event in 2021. Sourcing is largely in academic journals, into 2023 at least [22], where it's discussed as part of China's larger influence in the world. Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for spotting. We should incorporate more journal articles.

  Current book academic source I referred to is from the notable Suisheng Zhao and published by Stanford University Press JArthur1984 (talk) 12:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. So, participants, do you believe the existing sources are sufficient for establishing GNG?
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Yes for me, and I also incorporated the 2023 academic source identified by Oaktree b's. JArthur1984 (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skycoach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Promotional, fails WP:NCORP. Sources are reprints of press releases. ~ A412 ^talk! 00:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete WP:BEFORE doesn't show any third party coverage. Fails WP:NCORP. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was written entirely from sources. Sources talk about news about the platform's activities, it is usually. All the facts that are in the article find confirmation in open independent sources. Jane230 (talk) 07:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – can't find any independent and secondary sources. The sources in the current version of the article are in fact one and the same source, a press release reprinted in four different places, with two of them being slightly rewritten but it's still the same source. --bonadea contributions talk 11:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]